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the question I am stumped on is "What is the lift force on the roof of your car that has an aera of 3.9m^2 if you are driving 100km/hr? use 1.17kg/m^3 for density of air
The discussion revolves around calculating the lift force on a car's roof at a speed of 100 km/hr, specifically focusing on the implications of air density and the car's roof area of 3.9 m². Participants explore the principles of aerodynamics and the conditions necessary for lift generation in this context.
Participants do not reach a consensus on the application of the Bernoulli principle or the conditions necessary for lift generation on a flat roof, indicating multiple competing views remain in the discussion.
Participants highlight limitations in understanding the aerodynamic effects on a flat roof, including the need for specific shape profiles and the conditions under which Bernoulli's principle may or may not apply.
rcgldr said:Speed alone isn't going to create lift on a flat plate parallel to the relative wind. Bernoulli principle doesn't apply here. You could place a flush mounted static port in a flat roof to measure pressure of the moving air outside and it would indicate the same ambient pressure if the car was stopped or moving (as long as speeds are reasonably sub-sonic).
rcgldr said:Speed alone isn't going to create lift on a flat plate parallel to the relative wind.
Because the speed of the air wasn't the result of a transition from higher pressure to lower pressure. In this case, the assumption is that the pressure of the air is ambient. It doesn't matter what the speed of the flat plate is if the flat plate isn't interacting with the air (assume the flat plate doesn't change the speed of the air, ignoring any skin friction effects). This why static ports that are just small openings in the side of an aircraft's fuselage (at a point where the air's speed isn't being changed) can sense the ambient pressure of the air, regardless of the speed of the aircraft (as long as speed is sufficiently below the speed of sound).Lsos said:Why does Bernoulli principle not apply?