Light and Heat Generation of Elements

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the quantification of light and heat energy generated by elements, particularly in relation to their properties when a voltage potential is applied. Participants explore models that could predict energy conversion proportions based on intrinsic material properties such as atomic number and group classification.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the premise of generating light and heat from an element when it is simply left on a table, suggesting that reactions are necessary for energy generation.
  • One participant proposes a model based on the Law of Energy Conservation to express the relationship between electrical energy, light energy, and heat energy.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the geometry of the wire and its resistance are critical factors in determining energy output in light bulbs, rather than the material itself.
  • There is mention of the emission spectrum being roughly a black-body spectrum, which is temperature-dependent, with higher temperatures yielding more visible light relative to heat.
  • Some participants argue that different materials emit light at different frequencies at corresponding temperatures, suggesting a need for material selection based on desired light versus heat output.
  • Others contend that while there are small differences in material properties, factors such as device lifetime may be more significant than the material's spectral output.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of material properties versus geometric factors in energy conversion. There is no consensus on a specific model or approach to quantify light and heat generation from elements.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence on specific conditions such as geometry and temperature, as well as the need for clarity on terms like "material conversion capacities." Unresolved assumptions about the relationship between voltage and energy generation are also noted.

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Hi forum,
Is there anyway to quantify the proportions of light and heat energy generated from an element?
I mean, is there a model which we can use to predict material energy conversion proportions when a voltage potential is applied to it.? Further, is the model able to predict material conversion capacities given only the atomic #, negativity or group?

Thank you.
 
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What do you mean with "light and heat energy generated from an element"? If you just leave any element on a table, in general it does not produce light or heat. If some chemical or nuclear reactions happen then it might do that, the details depend on the element then. Sure, it is possible to calculate that.

I don't see the relation to a voltage (where?).

What do you mean with "material conversion capacities"?
 
mfb said:
What do you mean with "light and heat energy generated from an element"? If you just leave any element on a table, in general it does not produce light or heat. If some chemical or nuclear reactions happen then it might do that, the details depend on the element then. Sure, it is possible to calculate that.

I don't see the relation to a voltage (where?).

What do you mean with "material conversion capacities"?

My apology for the lacking info, consider this simple presentation of what I meant (see figure)
simple%20circuit.gif

How much proportions of heat and light are being generated from the total dissipated energy of the load?
Is there a model which predicts how much proportions of heat is being generated and proportions light with relation to an intrinsic property of a material?

Law of Energy (Conservation of Energy) would help :

EE = LE+HE ; where EE - Electrical Energy, LE-Light Energy, HE-Heat Energy

Proportions are expressed simply as LE/EEx100%; HE/EEx100% vs. say conductivity or resistance of material (Classical and Stastical model perhaps)

The goal is to predict how much lumen and heat proportions on any material, one would either make as a heater or a light filament.
 
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It mainly depends on the geometry of the wire in the light bulb and its resistance. The material does not matter much for typical light bulbs (as long as it does not melt, obviously). It does matter if you care about the lifetime, but that is a different question.
The emission is roughly a black-body spectrum, and this spectrum depends on temperature only. Higher temperatures give a higher fraction of visible light relative to heat (infrared light).
 
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mfb said:
It mainly depends on the geometry of the wire in the light bulb and its resistance. The material does not matter much for typical light bulbs (as long as it does not melt, obviously). It does matter if you care about the lifetime, but that is a different question.
The emission is roughly a black-body spectrum, and this spectrum depends on temperature only. Higher temperatures give a higher fraction of visible light relative to heat (infrared light).

But different material lit different frequencies of spectrum at corresponding temperatures, right? Thus, there must be a material fit for its purpose, to give off light the most but less heat.
 
Legolaz said:
But different material lit different frequencies of spectrum at corresponding temperatures, right?
See above: it is a good approximation of a blackbody spectrum which is independent of the material.
Legolaz said:
Thus, there must be a material fit for its purpose, to give off light the most but less heat.
Sure, there are small differences, but other considerations like the lifetime of the device are more important.
 
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