Light Curve Space: Maintaining Speed Constant

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of light in curved space, particularly in the context of general relativity and how light maintains its speed while traveling along curved paths influenced by massive objects like the sun. The scope includes conceptual clarifications and technical explanations regarding geodesics and the distinction between speed and velocity.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how light can maintain a constant speed while traveling in curved space, suggesting that it should slow down to navigate the curve.
  • Another participant explains that in curved spaces, light follows a "geodesic," which is the shortest path between two points, and emphasizes that the space itself is bending rather than the light changing its speed.
  • A further clarification is made regarding the distinction between speed and velocity, noting that while light travels at a constant speed, its velocity can change due to directional shifts.
  • An analogy is provided comparing walking on the Earth's surface to illustrate how a curved path can still represent the shortest distance, akin to how light travels in curved space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of light traveling in curved space, with some clarifying concepts while others raise questions. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the initial question posed about light's speed in curved space.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of geodesics and the definitions of speed and velocity, which may not be universally agreed upon. The implications of these concepts in the context of general relativity are also not fully resolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in general relativity, the behavior of light in curved spacetime, and the distinctions between speed and velocity in physics.

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if light is traveling by a curved space, for example near the sun, how can it maintain speed? shouldn t go slower? to keep the speed constant in a curve you have to accelarate...
 
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When working with curved spaces, you have to generalize your definition of a straight line path. Specifically, in a curved space, light will travel along a "geodesic" which is the generalization of a straight line to curved space. A geodesic is the shortest path you can take between two points in a curved space, just like a straight line is the shortest path between two points in flat space.

So, You shouldn't think of the light traveling through curved space as if the light was traveling in flat space and turning around a curve. Instead, its the space itself that is bending.

Think about a light ray traveling in flat space. It travels the shortest path between two points, a straight line (the geodesic in flat space) and is not accelerating at all. Agree? Now the presence of the massive sun intrinsically warps the space itself, changing the geodesic the light will travel. But the light still travels along the geodesic, the shortest path.

A more familiar analogy may help: Think about walking in a "straight line" from Boston to Seattle. In reality you are walking along a curved path along the surface of the earth, but to you, stuck in the curved space of the Earth's surface, the path "feels" equivalent to a straight line. i.e. its the shortest path you can find.
 
Also note the difference between speed and velocity is that velocity is a vector quantity which refers to direction. Speed only has magnitude.

So light travels at a constant speed, even though its velocity may change.

Consider a threoretical, perfect planet orbiting a perfect star. The planet orbiots at a constant angular velocity, its speed stays the same, although its linear velocity is continually changing with its direction.
 
Thanks to both. I´ve got it now!
 

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