Light speed in relation to the size of the universe

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the speed of light in relation to the early universe and its potential variability over time. Participants explore whether the speed of light was the same shortly after the Big Bang as it is today, and the implications of such a change on general relativity and electromagnetic theory.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the speed of light in a vacuum could have changed since the Big Bang, suggesting that it might vary as the universe expands.
  • Another participant asserts that there is no evidence to support the idea that the speed of light has changed since the Big Bang.
  • A participant raises a question about the Doppler effect and its relation to the constancy of light speed, implying a need for clarification on how these concepts interact.
  • Some participants discuss the reasons behind the speed of light being constant, referencing Maxwell's equations and the nature of the electromagnetic field.
  • There is a suggestion that if light speed were variable, it would necessitate modifications to general relativity, which relies on the constancy of light speed.
  • One participant notes that the question of why light travels at its specific speed leads to deeper inquiries about the foundations of physics, including the nature of spacetime and the principles of general relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the speed of light could vary over time, with some asserting it cannot change according to general relativity, while others propose the possibility without evidence. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of a variable light speed.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the foundational reasons for the constancy of light speed and the nature of spacetime, indicating that these questions lead to further complexities without clear answers.

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Can anyone tell me if the speed of light in a vacuum was the same a few seconds after the big bang when the universe was small as it is today? In other words could it be that the speed of light changes as the universe expands?

Also is it actually known why light travels at the speed it does? If not then there is no point in me asking what is so special about that speed at which it travels with no varience.
 
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There is no evidence that the speed of light has changed since the big bang.
 
How can there be a doppler effect (red/blue shift) with light when the velocity of light doesn't vary relatively to the motions of source or observer?
 
sinebar said:
Can anyone tell me if the speed of light in a vacuum was the same a few seconds after the big bang when the universe was small as it is today? In other words could it be that the speed of light changes as the universe expands?
It could, but as Mathman said, there's no evidence. Also, the speed can't vary in general relativity, so GR would have to be modified to allow for that.

sinebar said:
Also is it actually known why light travels at the speed it does? If not then there is no point in me asking what is so special about that speed at which it travels with no varience.

Fredrik said:
If you want to know why light moves at c, the answer is that it's a consequence of Maxwell's equations. (You already got that answer).

So why do Maxwell's equations hold? They are a consequence of the fact that the electromagnetic field (the vector potential) is a massless vector field on Minkowski space. Actually that's more of an equivalent formulation of the theory than a reason why it holds, but if we consider quantum electrodynamics, the concept of renormalizability tells us why there are no other interaction terms in the Lagrangian. (There may be other terms, but non-renormalizable terms do not contribute noticeably to experiments at low energies).

Why is the field massless? That question doesn't make much sense, as it is part of the definition of what we mean by "light".

Why is spacetime Minkowski space? It isn't really. General relativity tells us that there's a relationship (expressed by Einstein's equation) between the geometry of spacetime and its matter content. Minkowski space is the particular solution that corresponds to an empty universe: No matter, no gravity, no nothing. But GR also tells us that a spacetime with matter looks like Minkowski space locally. What that really means is somewhat technical, but you can think about it this way: When you look at a small enough region, its geometry will appear to be flat, just as a small region of the surface of a sphere appears to be flat. This property of spacetimes in GR is sufficient to make the speed limit (locally) the same as in SR.

So why does GR hold? No one has an answer to that yet, and even if they did, it would create another why question. This is a problem you'll eventually run into no matter what question you start with.
 
If we assume that light speed is variable over time then asa a consequence GR is no longer correct. GR requires that the local speed of light remains constant.
 

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