Lightbulb and mini hydro generator

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a 1.5 V incandescent light bulb when connected to a 12 V mini hydro generator that outputs 7.0 V under load. Participants explore the implications of Ohm's law, the effects of internal resistance in the generator, and the relationship between load and voltage output.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that connecting a higher voltage than rated to the light bulb would typically burn it due to increased current, but the bulb does not burn when connected to the generator, suggesting a power output issue.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the voltage of the generator changes under load, indicating that Ohm's law may not adequately describe the generator-bulb system.
  • It is suggested that measuring the generator output with the bulb attached would likely show a low voltage, implying the generator cannot supply the necessary current for the bulb to light up.
  • A participant raises the question of whether internal resistance in the generator contributes to the voltage drop when a load is applied, speculating that the resistance of the coil may be a factor.
  • Another participant agrees that internal resistance exists and introduces the idea that the generator may slow down under load, which could also reduce voltage output.
  • There is a discussion about the interaction between the permanent magnet and the coil in the generator, with a participant suggesting that induced currents may play a role in the voltage behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the voltage output of the generator changes under load and that internal resistance is a factor. However, there are differing views on the extent and implications of these effects, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific mechanisms at play.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of measuring voltage under load and the potential effects of internal resistance, but do not resolve the details of these concepts or their implications for the generator-bulb system.

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I am using a 1.5 V incandescent light bulb. I know that if I connect a 9V battery to it or any higher voltage, it will burn it due to the large current flowing through it (Ohm's law if V goes up then the current goes up as well assuming constant R).

Now I a have a 12 V mini hydro generator showing 7.0 V when water runs through it.
When I connect the generator directly to the light bulb, I would expect that the light bulb will burn. But it doesn't!
I know it has to do with the power output of the generator at that voltage which might not be enough to cause damage.
But looking at it from Ohm's law, that 7.0 voltage should cause a large current through the light bulb and damage it.

Any clarification would be appreciated.
Thanks
 
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The voltage changes when you put a load on the generator.

Ohm's law is not very useful for describing a generator-bulb system. Open circuit (i.e. no load) voltage of a generator is also not useful.
 
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samirgaliz said:
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Now I a have a 12 V mini hydro generator showing 7.0 V when water runs through it.
When I connect the generator directly to the light bulb, I would expect that the light bulb will burn. But it doesn't!
I know it has to do with the power output of the generator at that voltage which might not be enough to cause damage.
But looking at it from Ohm's law, that 7.0 voltage should cause a large current through the light bulb and damage it.

Any clarification would be appreciated.
Thanks

As anorlunda said the voltage will drop under load

if you measure the generator output with the bulb attached, I would bet you will finds it a very low voltage
what this is telling you is that the generator cannot supply the current required by the bulb to light upDave
 
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Yes the voltage changes
anorlunda said:
The voltage changes when you put a load on the generator.

Ohm's law is not very useful for describing a generator-bulb system. Open circuit (i.e. no load) voltage of a generator is also not useful.
davenn said:
As anorlunda said the voltage will drop under load

if you measure the generator output with the bulb attached, I would bet you will finds it a very low voltage
what this is telling you is that the generator cannot supply the current required by the bulb to light upDave
Thanks to both of you. That makes sense.
But why would there be a drop in potential? Is there an internal resistance within the generator itself so when a current is driven through the load the potential drops? I am assuming it is the resistance of the coil inside the generator. Correct?
 
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Is there an internal resistance within the generator itself so when a current is driven through the load the potential drops?
Your intuition is good, young Skywalker... :smile:

(Google "internal series resistance of voltage source") :smile:
 
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Yes it will have some internal resistance but its also possible the generator slows down on load?

With no load the generator is easier to turn so it spins faster producing a higher voltage. On load it's harder to turn so it goes slower and the voltage falls.

This will have the effect of increasing the effective internal resistance.
 
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samirgaliz said:
But why would there be a drop in potential? Is there an internal resistance within the generator itself so when a current is driven through the load the potential drops? I am assuming it is the resistance of the coil inside the generator. Correct?

There is a permanent magnet in the generator, right? And a coil. So I would say that the surface current on the magnet induces an opposite surface current on the coil, when the coil gets close to the magnet.

https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/permanent-magnets-ferromagnetism-magnetic-surface-currents/

Do I need to explain more?
 
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