Limit Calculation for Block Sliding on Lubricated Surface with Quadratic Drag

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The problem involves a block of mass m sliding on a lubricated horizontal surface, experiencing a viscous resistance that varies as the 3/2 power of its speed. The original poster attempts to show that the block cannot travel further than a specified distance based on its initial speed and a drag constant.

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  • Participants discuss the integration of the force equation and the implications of the viscous resistance on the block's motion. There are attempts to derive the limit of position as time approaches infinity, with some participants questioning the correctness of the integration steps and the signs used in the equations.

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Some participants have offered guidance on potential mistakes in the integration process, particularly regarding the signs and missing terms. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct formulation of the equations, with no explicit consensus reached on the final outcome.

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Participants note the importance of correctly applying the definitions of forces and the impact of initial conditions on the integration results. There is an acknowledgment of potential errors in the original poster's approach that may affect the derived limit.

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Homework Statement


A block of mass m slides on a horizontal surface that's been lubricated with a heavy oil so that the block suffers a viscous resistance that varies as the 3/2 power of the speed.

If the initial speed of the block is Vo at x=o, show that the block cannot travel further than 2m(Vo^(1/2))/c

c is the drag constant.

Homework Equations



The viscous resistance is defined as F(v)=-cv^(3/2)


The Attempt at a Solution



So I defined my axis so that F = ma = -F(v) = cv^(3/2)

It's obvious that I need to calculate the limit of t when t goes to infinity from the position equation. So I integrate my F=ma equation twice and I don't get the answer.

For my first integration, I have dv/(v^(3/2)) = (cm)dt which gets me 1/(V^(1/2)) - 1/(Vo^(1/2)) = cmt

Now I isolate V=dx/dt in order to integrate a second time. I find that V=1/((Vo^(1/2)) + (ct/2m))^2

Let u = the denominator, du = cdt/2m --> dt = 2mdu/c. The integral becomes dx=1/(u)^2du
and I get x = -1/u. After I replace u for it's value, my limit when t-->infinity isn't what the question demands.

Could someone tell me where I might have made a mistake?
 
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Jukai said:

Homework Equations



The viscous resistance is defined as F(v)=-cv^(3/2)


The Attempt at a Solution



So I defined my axis so that F = ma = -F(v) = cv^(3/2)

It's obvious that I need to calculate the limit of t when t goes to infinity from the position equation. So I integrate my F=ma equation twice and I don't get the answer.

For my first integration, I have dv/(v^(3/2)) = (cm)dt which gets me 1/(V^(1/2)) - 1/(Vo^(1/2)) = cmt

The viscous force acts opposite to the direction of motion. It was already defined with the correct sign, but you negated it. If you take your solution and replace c -> -c you might get the correct result.
 
fzero said:
The viscous force acts opposite to the direction of motion. It was already defined with the correct sign, but you negated it. If you take your solution and replace c -> -c you might get the correct result.

I just tried it, and my limit is still wrong. My second integral is now x = m/c((1/Vo^(1/2)) - (ct/m))
 
You're missing some minus signs and factors of 2. You're also missing the t=0 term in the integration of the velocity. For the first integration I find

[tex]-\frac{2}{\sqrt{v}} + \frac{2}{\sqrt{v_0}} = - \frac{ct}{m}[/tex]

The 2nd integration gives

[tex]x = \frac{2m v_0 }{c\sqrt{v_0}} \left( - \frac{1}{1+\frac{c\sqrt{v_0}}{2m}t} + 1\right).[/tex]

After simplifying, you get something that yields

[tex]x(t\rightarrow\infty) \rightarrow \frac{2m\sqrt{v_0}}{c}.[/tex]
 
thank you very much, I understand now
 

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