Limiting factors in Diamond Anvil Cells

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the limiting factors in Diamond Anvil Cells (DACs) that restrict the achievable pressure levels, particularly around 7 to 8 Mbar. Participants explore the reasons behind the design choices of DACs, including the use of diamond tips versus larger parallel plates, and the implications of sample size on pressure application.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Gabriele questions why DACs use diamond tips that are prone to fracture instead of larger smooth diamond plates, suggesting that larger plates might be more resistant to fracture.
  • Raj proposes that the small size of the sample in DACs allows for higher pressure due to the relationship between force and area, implying that smaller samples can achieve greater pressure with less force.
  • Gabriele further speculates that if larger samples could be compressed with a larger force, then parallel flat diamond plates could be used instead of tips, potentially reducing the risk of fracture.
  • A later reply acknowledges Gabriele's supposition but emphasizes that using larger plates would require significantly more force due to the increased area, suggesting a tradeoff between design considerations such as lifetime and cost in existing DACs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the design of DACs and the implications of sample size and pressure application. There is no consensus on the best approach or the reasons behind current design choices.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the relationship between sample size, pressure, and force, as well as the potential tradeoffs in design that have not been fully explored or quantified in the discussion.

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Hello, I'm trying to better understand the limiting factors in Diamond Anvil Cells that limit the achievable pressure to around 7 or 8 Mbar at the moment, despite not being a specialist. For example, is there a special reason other than the tiny size of the crystal sample used in DACs for why the sample has to be squeezed between diamond tips which easily fracture, and not say relatively large smooth diamond parallel plates which I think would be more resistant to fracture?

Thanks,

Gabriele
 
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Hello,
I don't know much about the instrumentation details of the diamond cell setup. But the answer could be pressure is defined as force per unit area. So by just applying a relatively little pressure on the edges of the diamonds, can get a maximum pressure on the sample (small sample=more pressure!).
Cheers, Raj
 
Thanks for the answer. My supposition is that if we could get a larger sample to be compressed at the same pressure by applying a larger force, then we could apply the compression with parallel flat diamond plates rather than diamond tips which I believe fracture much more easily than the plates... please have a look at the attached figure for a visual explanation...

G
 

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g_mogni said:
Thanks for the answer. My supposition is that if we could get a larger sample to be compressed at the same pressure by applying a larger force, then we could apply the compression with parallel flat diamond plates rather than diamond tips which I believe fracture much more easily than the plates... please have a look at the attached figure for a visual explanation...

G

Your supposition sounds correct. But @Ra@wr alias also correct about additional force. If the flag surface has 1000x area of a pointed tip, you will need 1000x more force.

It would be reasonable to assume that designers of existing diamond anvils considered the tradeoff between lifetime and cost. perhaps you could find one of them to discuss it with.
 

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