Linear Algebra: Find Matrix Determinant w/o Evaluating Directly

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To find the determinant of the given symmetric matrix without direct evaluation, one approach is to leverage its diagonalizability, as symmetric matrices have real eigenvalues. By computing the square of the matrix and expressing it in terms of the identity matrix, a polynomial can be formed whose roots correspond to the eigenvalues, and the product of these eigenvalues gives the determinant. Special cases, such as setting a equal to b or either a or b to zero, can provide trivial solutions that help in understanding the determinant's behavior. Additionally, using linear combinations of the matrix's rows may reveal a factorization that simplifies the calculation. Ultimately, these strategies can lead to a clearer path for determining the determinant.
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Homework Statement


Find the determinant of the matrix using identities without evaluating the determinants directly:

a b b b
b a b b
b b a b
b b b a

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried getting it into a triangular matrix but halfway through it got too complicated and it has to be simpler than what I think it is. The matrix is symmetric but I don't know how that relates to the determinant.
 
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I don't know if you are supposed to know this way but let's try :
if a and b are real, a symmetric matrix is diagonalisable
You know that the eigenvalues are roots of any polynom that cancel your matrix. For a start, compute the square of you matrix and reexpress it in terms of the indentity matrix and your original one. This identity gies you a polynom that cancel your matrix. Its roots are eigenvalues, and their product is the determinant. Take care of the multiplicity of the eigenvalues, that's all !

You can also have guidance from basic aspects : you know trivial answers for special cases : a=b, a=0 or b=0 etc ... this should come then !

Last possibility (but also not very elegant) : trying linear combination of lines and you will find a nice factorization appearing...
 
I tried to combine those 2 formulas but it didn't work. I tried using another case where there are 2 red balls and 2 blue balls only so when combining the formula I got ##\frac{(4-1)!}{2!2!}=\frac{3}{2}## which does not make sense. Is there any formula to calculate cyclic permutation of identical objects or I have to do it by listing all the possibilities? Thanks
Since ##px^9+q## is the factor, then ##x^9=\frac{-q}{p}## will be one of the roots. Let ##f(x)=27x^{18}+bx^9+70##, then: $$27\left(\frac{-q}{p}\right)^2+b\left(\frac{-q}{p}\right)+70=0$$ $$b=27 \frac{q}{p}+70 \frac{p}{q}$$ $$b=\frac{27q^2+70p^2}{pq}$$ From this expression, it looks like there is no greatest value of ##b## because increasing the value of ##p## and ##q## will also increase the value of ##b##. How to find the greatest value of ##b##? Thanks

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