Linear algebra - need to show deg of minimal poly = dimension of V

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the degree of the minimal polynomial associated with a linear operator \( L \) on a finite-dimensional vector space \( V \) is equal to the dimension of the span \( C_x \) generated by the vector \( x \) and its images under \( L \). Participants are exploring the relationship between the span \( C_x \), the linear operator \( L \), and the minimal polynomial \( u_L \).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants suggest proving that the dimension of \( C_x \) equals the degree of \( u_L \) as a potential simplification. Others express uncertainty about how to connect the span \( C_x \) and the operator \( L \) with the minimal polynomial. There are hints regarding the implications of the degree of the minimal polynomial and its relationship to the span of vectors generated by \( L \).

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and exploring various interpretations of the relationship between the minimal polynomial and the dimension of the span. There is no explicit consensus yet, but some productive lines of reasoning are being developed.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of finite-dimensional vector spaces and the properties of linear operators, with some uncertainty about the connections between the concepts involved.

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Homework Statement



if V = C_x for some x belongs to V then show

deg(u_L) = dim(V)

here,

L: V -> V linear operator on finite dimensional vector space

C_x = span {x, L(x), L^2(x),....}

u_L = minimal polynomial



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The Attempt at a Solution



since C_x = V, it spans V. if it spans v, then degree of minimal poly that we somehow obtain from L should be dim(V). i dunno.

i can't figure out how to connect C_x and L with minimal poly.
 
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If you were to prove that dim(Cx) = deg(uL) then you would be done. Does this seem like an easier problem?
 
catsarebad said:

Homework Statement



if V = C_x for some x belongs to V then show

deg(u_L) = dim(V)

here,

L: V -> V linear operator on finite dimensional vector space

C_x = span {x, L(x), L^2(x),....}

u_L = minimal polynomial



Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



since C_x = V, it spans V. if it spans v, then degree of minimal poly that we somehow obtain from L should be dim(V). i dunno.

i can't figure out how to connect C_x and L with minimal poly.

I'll add one more clue to kduna's suggestion. If ##n=deg(U_L)## then ##L^n(x)=0## for all x in V.
 
Dick said:
I'll add one more clue to kduna's suggestion. If ##n=deg(U_L)## then ##L^n(x)=0## for all x in V.

If ##n=deg(U_L)## and ##L^n(x)=0## for all ##x \in V##, this would imply that ##U_L(x) = x^n##. Which is certainly not always true.

However it is true that ##L^n(x) \in \text{span}\{x, L(x), ... , L^{n-1}(x) \}##. This is a big hint. Can you see why this is true?
 

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