[Linear momentum] When to use which equation.

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the appropriate equations to use in the context of linear momentum, specifically in inelastic collisions, such as a bullet embedding into a block. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the correct formula to apply in these scenarios.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to clarify why a specific equation is necessary for inelastic collisions. Some participants discuss the equivalence of different momentum equations and question the conditions under which they apply, particularly focusing on the scenario where one mass is initially at rest.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the relationship between different momentum equations and discussing the conditions that lead to their equivalence. There is a recognition that when two objects stick together, they share a final velocity, but no consensus has been reached on the broader implications of these equations.

Contextual Notes

There is an implicit assumption regarding the initial conditions of the masses involved in the collision, particularly that one mass is at rest before the collision occurs. The discussion does not resolve the original poster's confusion but highlights the need for clarity on the application of the equations.

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Homework Statement


I'm confused about when to use which formula.
I thought for inelastic collisions,
for example, when a bullet is shot into a block,
I should use
(mbullet)(vinitial) = (mbullet + mblock)(vfinal)

but it turns out that I must use
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why do i have to use this one?

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They should really be the same equation. (m1)(vi)+(m2)(vi)=(m1)(vf)+(m2)(vf) will reduce to the top equation you wrote if the block "m2" is initally at rest (vi=0) and upon impact they stick and form a system. Thus they have a combined mass (m1+m2) and the same final velocity (vf). So it reduces to:

(m1)(vi)bullet = (m1+m2)(vf)system
 
kjohnson said:
They should really be the same equation. (m1)(vi)+(m2)(vi)=(m1)(vf)+(m2)(vf) will reduce to the top equation you wrote if the block "m2" is initally at rest (vi=0) and upon impact they stick and form a system. Thus they have a combined mass (m1+m2) and the same final velocity (vf). So it reduces to:

(m1)(vi)bullet = (m1+m2)(vf)system

then v1 final and v2 final are the same??
 
Yes, this is true because they stick together to form a system. They must have the same velocity.
 

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