EV33 said:
Thank you for all the help so far Mark 44, but I am having trouble getting this.
I know what we are trying to do here. But this process makes no sense to me.I know we are just looking for an equation that we plug x from T(X) into to get T(x).
No, that's not it. We aren't looking for an equation we can plug in. We don't know T(
x). What we would like is some matrix A such that T(
x) = A
x.
All we know are T(
u) and T(
v) for some arbitrary vectors
u and
v. We would like to know what T(
x) is for any old vector
x. We're trying to figure out what the transformation does to a basis, because if we know that, we know what it will do to any vector. This is what I said in post #4.
EV33 said:
I can do these easy problems obviously without doing this process, but I am guessing these can get a lot uglier so if someone could just walk me through a full problem I think that might really help me. If someone is up for that I can post a problem or if you have a good example problem that works too.
Let's try T([1 1]^T)=[1 2 1]^T
and T([1 -1]^T)=[0 2 2]^T
Let's call the vectors being transformed u1 and u2
OK. By inspection, I can see that (1/2)(u1 + u2) = [1 0]
T, and also that (1/2)(u1 - u2) = [0 1]
T. This shouldn't be too much of a surprise, since u1 and u2 are the same vectors as in the first problem.
EV33 said:
x=a1u1+a2u2
T(x)=a1[1 2 1]^T+a2[0 2 2]^T
No, you can't say that. You don't know what T(x) is - that's really what the problem wants you to find. Also, let's leave x out of things. Here's what we know.
T([1 0]
T) = T((1/2)(u1 + u2)) = (1/2)T(u1) + (1/2)T(u2) = [1/2 2 3/2]
T
Also, T([0 1]
T) = T((1/2)(u1 - u2)) = (1/2)T(u1) - (1/2)T(u2) = [1/2 0 -1/2]
T
In the work above, I used what you gave me for T(u1) and T(u2).
Now, we're ready to define T(
x), where
x is the vector [x1 x2]
T.
T(
x) = T([x1 x2]
T) = T(x1*[1 0]
T + x2*[0 1]
T)
= x1*T([1 0]
T) + x2*T([0 1]
T)
= x1* (what?) + x2*(what?)
This defines T(
x).
As a side note, T([1 0]
T) and T([0 1]
T) can be used to define the columns of a 3 x 2 matrix that I'll call A.
You can also define the transformation T(
x) using the matrix:
T(
x) = A
x
For this problem, A turns out to be
[1/2 1/2]
[2 0 ]
[3/2 -1/2]
EV33 said:
then I set up a matrix
1 1 1
1 -1 0
1 1 0
1 -1 1
then I get the x1 and x2 of each of those to be 1/2.
So a1=[(x1+x2)/2),(2x1+2x2)/2),(x1+x2)/2]^T
a2=[(x1+x2)/2),(x1-x2)/2),(x1-x2)/2)]^T
Is this right so far?
If so how do I finish the problem up?