Liquid refrigerant pressure and temperature

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of liquid refrigerant-134a in a sealed can when the lid is opened, specifically focusing on the relationship between pressure and temperature during the escape of refrigerant. The topic encompasses thermodynamic principles and the effects of phase changes in refrigerants.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that when the lid of the can is opened, the pressure and temperature inside the can drop rapidly, with a thermometer registering -26°C at 1 atm, the saturation temperature of refrigerant-134a.
  • Another participant questions whether this is a homework problem and asks for the progress made on it.
  • A reference is made to a thermodynamics textbook by Cengel and Boles, suggesting that the principles discussed are grounded in established literature.
  • One participant asserts that the cooling effect is due to conservation of energy, stating that as a gas expands, it cools, and provides a link to a previous discussion on gas expansion cooling.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about how the refrigerant maintains its saturation temperature and pressure during the cooling process as it expands.
  • A later reply reiterates the conservation of energy explanation but clarifies that the cooling of the can is due to the refrigerant boiling when the pressure drops, which leads to a rapid decrease in temperature.
  • The Joule-Thompson effect is mentioned, with a participant noting that it can be confusing and is often misapplied, emphasizing that the discussion is about the boiling of liquids rather than the expansion of gases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms involved in the cooling of the refrigerant and the implications of the Joule-Thompson effect. There is no consensus on the specific processes at play, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the nuances of these thermodynamic principles.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the behavior of refrigerants under varying pressure and temperature conditions, as well as the definitions of terms like saturation temperature and the Joule-Thompson effect.

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Consider a sealed can of liquid refrigerant-134a in a room at 25 •C .Now if the lid is opened slowly and some refrigerant is allowed to escape, the pressure and temperature in the can start dropping rapidly.A thermometer inserted in the can will register -26°C when pressure drop to 1 atm. ,which is the saturation temperature of refrigerant-134a at that pressure.
Now my question is what causes to decrease the temp. of can .
 
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Is this homework? Tell us how far you've gotten with the problem.
 
From thermodynamics book by cengel and boles
 
Acc. to above thread , can fluid gets cooled due to expansion but how it maintain its saturation temp. and pressure all the way.
 
Thanks for giving above link I found answer in that.
 
Mech_Engineer said:
The basic answer is conservation of energy, as a gas expands it cools.

See this thread from 2011 on the subject: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/why-do-gases-cool-on-expansion.470311/
That's fine, but he's asking about the can of liquid, not the escaping air. The can of liquid cools because when the pressure inside the can drops, it starts to boil, nearly instantly dropping it to its boiling temperature at that pressure.

The Joule-Thompson effect is a bit confusing and tends to come up in places where it doesn't apply, such as this and air compressors. Joule-Thompson is about expansion of gas. This (and air conditioners) reduce pressure and boil liquids.
 

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