Looking for an in depth book on special relativity

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The discussion revolves around finding suitable books on special relativity for beginners, with a focus on depth and comprehensiveness. Participants share their recommendations and experiences with various texts, addressing both introductory and more advanced materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire for a beginner-friendly yet in-depth book on special relativity, mentioning "Spacetime Physics: Introduction to Special Relativity" and questioning its depth.
  • Another participant confirms that "Spacetime Physics" by Taylor and Wheeler provides a strong foundation but lacks depth in certain areas, only introducing two 4-vectors and not covering field theories or optics.
  • Recommendations for other texts include Rindler's work, Naber's book for mathematical detail, and Szekeres' chapter on the mathematics of special relativity.
  • A participant suggests Woodhouse's "Special Relativity" as a concise text and mentions the value of reading original papers by Einstein and Poincare for deeper insights.
  • There is a discussion about the suitability of "The Geometry of Minkowski Spacetime," with some participants noting its heavy mathematical content and questioning its necessity for beginners.
  • Another participant mentions Lieber's "The Einstein Theory of Relativity" as a good introductory text for both special and general relativity.
  • One participant recommends reading Landau/Lifshitz's "The Classical Theory of Fields" and Susskind's lectures alongside other texts for a varied perspective.
  • A new participant, a twelve-year-old, inquires about their preparedness to study special relativity given their background in calculus and physics, seeking advice on how to start a new thread.
  • Another participant suggests a recent book aimed at those with limited mathematical training as a potential resource.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the value of "Spacetime Physics" as a starting point, but there is no consensus on the best subsequent texts, with multiple competing recommendations and varying opinions on the depth and accessibility of suggested books.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that certain texts may be too advanced for beginners, and there is uncertainty regarding the appropriate level of mathematical background required to effectively engage with special relativity literature.

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I have very little background in special relativity (near to nothing, just what I've found on wikipedia). I've been looking for a book on special relativity that's for beginners but is also very in-depth covering every aspect of special relativity. I liked the look of "Spacetime Physics: Introduction to Special Relativity" but I'm not saw if it goes into as much depth as I'd like (by the looks of the reviews). How much detail does that book go into?
 
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That is the book by Taylor and Wheeler, right? I have a red paperback first edition that has all the solutions in the back. It will give you a strong foundation to built on. But as you suspected it doesn't go into much depth. It introduces only two 4-vectors: the position-time and momentum-energy 4-vectors. No field theories or optics. Still, I think it's the best one our there for beginners.

Rindler may be good.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0198567324/?tag=pfamazon01-20

For the mathematical detail, I find Naber great. It has the derivation of the Lorentz transformations from a causality assumption from the paper "Causality Implies the Lorentz Group" by Zeeman as well.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1441931023/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Szekeres also has a chapter (~20 pages) devoted to the mathematics of SR.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0521829607/?tag=pfamazon01-20
 
Truecrimson said:
That is the book by Taylor and Wheeler, right? I have a red paperback first edition that has all the solutions in the back. It will give you a strong foundation to built on. But as you suspected it doesn't go into much depth. It introduces only two 4-vectors: the position-time and momentum-energy 4-vectors. No field theories or optics. Still, I think it's the best one our there for beginners.

Rindler may be good.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0198567324/?tag=pfamazon01-20

For the mathematical detail, I find Naber great. It has the derivation of the Lorentz transformations from a causality assumption from the paper "Causality Implies the Lorentz Group" by Zeeman as well.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1441931023/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Szekeres also has a chapter (~20 pages) devoted to the mathematics of SR.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0521829607/?tag=pfamazon01-20

I like the look of "The Geometry of Minkowski Spacetime" but it looks like it starts a bit heavy. Would you recommend getting the Spacetime physics book as a starter before?
 
Naber's The Geometry of Spacetime is too abstruse for me to recommend for anyone. Even for one mathematically minded and well versed in special relativity.

If you are looking for a nice in-depth (but somewhat overly concise) text, I strongly suggest Woodhouse's Special Relativity. If you have knowledge on electrodynamics, I suggest you read the original papers on special relativity. That is, On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies by Einstein and On the Dynamics of the Electron by Poincare (English translations are freely available over the internet). Pauli's Theory of Relativity is also very insightful. Also consider Reflections on Relativity which provides amazing philosophical and historical insight.
 
johnathon said:
I like the look of "The Geometry of Minkowski Spacetime" but it looks like it starts a bit heavy. Would you recommend getting the Spacetime physics book as a starter before?

Yes, The Geometry of Minkowski Spacetime is heavy. In fact, you may not need it at all. I said that it's for the mathematical details. And yes, I think Spacetime Physics is the best starter. The only concern is whether you want to buy something that will not last long as a reference. (I bought mine for $10 so it wasn't a problem.)

Also please look into Snicker's recommendations. I have never read Woodhouse's Special Relativity but I like his analytical mechanics book a lot.
 
Now that Lieber's "The Einstein Theory of Relativity" is back in print it's worth taking a look at for an introduction to both special and general relativity at an introductory mathematical level.
 
Try to read the first 46 pages of Landau/Lifshitz 'The Classical Theory of Fields' before reading anything else, I wish I had.
Maybe read it concurrently with Susskind's SR lectures:
As for an SR text emphasizing the geometric viewpoint in Susskind's lectures, well The Geometry of Spacetime is the best thing I could find.
The most mathematical book I found is Naber's Geometry of Minkowski Spacetime.
As for a problems book: Special Relativity: An Introduction with 200 Problems and Solutions
Mix all this with Spacetime Physics & I'd think you'd be getting enough of a varied viewpoint.
 
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Hello!

I apologize if I am hijacking this post. I am new to Physics Forums, and I do not know how to start a new thread to ask my question. I was hoping to ask a few questions related to the above questions - special relativity, general relativity, etc.

I am currently a twelve-year old, and I am interested in learning about Relativity. I have heard that there are two main fields relativity is divided into - special relativity, and general relativity. Although some people have said that general relativity is considerably harder than special relativity, I am not sure if I even have the knowledge required to understand either fields in the first place.

I have taken a Calculus I/II course and a rather limited AP level Physics course. I have an excellent Physics teacher to help me. Would this level of knowledge in mathematics and Physics be enough to get me started on Special relativity? My goal for Physics is to learn all the math and Physics necessary needed for learning Quantum Physics/accelerator Physics by the time I am fourteen.

Once again, I apologize for rudely interrupting this thread. (It would be very helpful if you gave me some tips on how to start a new thread.) Please excuse me if I am making unplausible or ignorant claims, as I am not familiar with Modern Physics.

Thank You.
 
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(It would be very helpful if you gave me some tips on how to start a new thread.)

I answered this question in response to your other post, in the relativity forum.
 
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I have taken a Calculus I/II course and a rather limited AP level Physics course. I have an excellent Physics teacher to help me. Would this level of knowledge in mathematics and Physics be enough to get me started on Special relativity? My goal for Physics is to learn all the math and Physics necessary needed for learning Quantum Physics/accelerator Physics by the time I am fourteen.

You might want to check out the recent book [URL="https://www.amazon.com/dp/1461407052/?tag=pfamazon01-20 Theory: A Rigorous Introduction for the Mathematically Untrained
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