Lorentz derivation of length contraction in electrodynamics

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of length contraction in the context of electrodynamics, particularly focusing on the historical contributions of Lorentz and Einstein, and the implications of these theories for modern understanding of the phenomenon. Participants explore the soundness of Lorentz's derivation and its treatment in contemporary textbooks.

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  • Historical
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Lorentz modeled matter as a collection of electric charges, showing that motion leads to a new equilibrium configuration resulting in length contraction, which was initially proposed to explain the Michelson-Morley experiment.
  • Others argue that length contraction was considered an ad hoc hypothesis at the time, as there was insufficient evidence to assume that intermolecular forces behaved like electromagnetic forces.
  • A participant highlights that Einstein's work removed the ad hoc nature of the contraction hypothesis by explaining it through special relativity without reliance on the concept of a stationary aether.
  • There is a suggestion that Lorentz's hypothesis regarding intermolecular forces being electromagnetic has been validated, leading to a reconsideration of the soundness of his derivation.
  • One participant raises a question about the implications of Lorentz's derivation for matter not held together by electromagnetic forces, referencing Einstein's conclusions about the behavior of free-floating mirrors in an interferometer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the soundness and relevance of Lorentz's derivation today. While some see merit in considering it as valid, others emphasize the historical context and limitations of Lorentz's approach compared to Einstein's advancements. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the current treatment of Lorentz's derivation in textbooks.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion involves historical interpretations and the evolution of ideas in physics, with some claims about the nature of intermolecular forces and their relation to electromagnetic forces remaining unverified within the context of the discussion.

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What Lorentz was able to show was that Maxwell's theory of electromagnetism predicted precisely this much longitudinal contraction.To get this result, Lorentz modeled matter composing a body as a large collection of electric charges, all held together in equilibrium by electric and magnetic forces.
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The equilibrium was disturbed if the entire object was set in motion. Moving electric charges create magnetic fields that in turn act back of electric charges. All these changes settle out into a new equilibrium configuration. What Lorentz could show was that new configuration consists in a contraction of the body in the direction of motion in just the amount needed to eradicate a possible result from the Michelson Morley experiment.

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My question is: is this derivation of length contraction considered to be sound and correct today? Are they treated in modern textbooks?
 
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Length contraction was postulated by George FitzGerald and H.A Lorentz (1892) to explain the negative outcome of the Michelson–Morley experiment and to rescue the hypothesis of the stationary aether .

It was considered an ad hoc hypothesis, because at this time there was no sufficient reason to assume that intermolecular forces behave the same way as electromagnetic ones.

Eventually, Albert Einstein (1905) was the first to completely remove the ad hoc character from the contraction hypothesis, by demonstrating that this contraction did not require motion through a supposed aether, but could be explained using special relativity, which changed our notions of space, time, and simultaneity.

Now a days the special theory of relativity and Lorentz Transformations are used to derive contraction as a consequence of STR.
one can see details of historical development in <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Length_contraction>
 
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drvrm said:
Length contraction was postulated by George FitzGerald and H.A Lorentz (1892) to explain the negative outcome of the Michelson–Morley experiment and to rescue the hypothesis of the stationary aether .

It was considered an ad hoc hypothesis, because at this time there was no sufficient reason to assume that intermolecular forces behave the same way as electromagnetic ones.

Eventually, Albert Einstein (1905) was the first to completely remove the ad hoc character from the contraction hypothesis, by demonstrating that this contraction did not require motion through a supposed aether, but could be explained using special relativity, which changed our notions of space, time, and simultaneity.

Now a days the special theory of relativity and Lorentz Transformations are used to derive contraction as a consequence of STR.
one can see details of historical development in <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Length_contraction>

Thank you very much for your reply.
If I understand well what happened I would say the objections of "ad hoc" hypothesis addressed to Lorentz actually vanished not just because of Einstein's revolution but also because Loretnz's hypothesis that intermolecular forces are electromagnetic turned out to be true. Is this right? So it makes sense to consider the possibility that Lorentz derivation was indeed sound/correct and if it is so maybe it would be remarkable enough to deserve to be treated in textbook today. Is this the case?
 
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The question that Lorentz left open but Einstein answered is what happens to matter that is not held together by electromagnetic forces. Michelson and Morley's interferometer was built on a solid base. But what would happen to an interferometer with mirrors floating freely in vacuum? Einstein says that it will behave the same way as the one with the solid base. But the argument you laid out above gives no reason to expect the distance between free-floating unconnected mirrors to change. That makes it a detailed application of Einstein's more general argument to the case of solid matter, I think.
 

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