Lorentz transformations of the angular momentum

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The discussion focuses on the transformation of angular momentum under Lorentz transformations, exploring the mathematical representation of angular momentum in four-dimensional spacetime and the implications of these transformations in the context of special relativity. Participants engage with theoretical aspects, mathematical formulations, and the conceptual understanding of angular momentum as a rank-2 tensor.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that angular momentum, defined as L = r x p, generalizes to a rank-2 tensor in four dimensions, represented as J^{jk} = r^j p^k.
  • Others argue that in the center of mass frame, a three-vector Jl can be defined, which simplifies the representation and aligns with Newtonian angular momentum in the appropriate limit.
  • A participant questions how these tensors transform under Lorentz transformations, particularly regarding the contraction of length, momentum, and angular momentum.
  • Some participants discuss the transformation of the angular momentum tensor using the matrix representation of Lorentz transformations, highlighting the off-diagonal components as significant for angular momentum.
  • There is a suggestion that the transformation of angular momentum does not reduce to a simple contraction factor, emphasizing the complexity of the tensor transformation law.
  • Participants explore the idea that Lorentz transformations can be composed of space rotations and boosts, noting that angular momentum transforms differently than a rank-1 tensor.
  • Some contributions clarify that each index of a rank-2 tensor transforms with the same transformation matrix, which may be contragradient.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of angular momentum transformations, with some asserting that the transformation does not simplify to a contraction factor, while others provide insights on how angular momentum behaves under specific transformations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact implications of these transformations and the interpretation of contraction factors.

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Participants acknowledge that the transformation of angular momentum is complex and does not follow straightforward rules applicable to vectors. The discussion includes references to specific mathematical formulations and the need for careful consideration of tensor indices during transformations.

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hey,

does anyone there know how the angular momentum (L=r x p) is transformed under Lorentz transformations?
 
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There is no cross product in four dimensions, so the generalization of rxp is a rank-2 tensor, not a vector: J^{jk}=r^jp^k. In the center of mass frame of a system, with the axis taken to be the center of mass, you can define a three-vector Jl according to J^{jk}=\epsilon^{jkl}J^l, where \epsilon is the Levi-Civita symbol. The advantages of Jl are that it's less unwieldy than J^{jk}, and it matches up with the Newtonian angular momentum in the appropriate limit. The advantage of J^{jk} is that it transforms in a simple way, as a rank-2 tensor.
 
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bcrowell said:
There is no cross product in four dimensions, so the generalization of rxp is a rank-2 tensor, not a vector: J^{jk}=r^jp^k. In the center of mass frame of a system, with the axis taken to be the center of mass, you can define a three-vector Jl according to J^{jk}=\epsilon^{jkl}J^l, where \epsilon is the Levi-Civita symbol. The advantages of Jl are that it's less unwieldy than J^{jk}, and it matches up with the Newtonian angular momentum in the appropriate limit. The advantage of J^{jk} is that it transforms in a simple way, as a rank-2 tensor.

thank you so angular momentum becomes a tensor that is 2 times countervariant? but how are these tensors transformed under Lorentz transformations?
 
<br /> M^{\mu \nu} \equiv X^{\mu} P^{\nu} - X^{\nu} P^{\mu}, \; M^{\nu \mu} = -M^{\mu \nu}<br /><br /> M&#039;^{\mu \nu} = \Lambda^{\mu}{}_{\rho} \, \Lambda^{\nu}{}_{\pi} \, M^{\rho \pi}<br />
 
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Dickfore said:
<br /> M^{\mu \nu} \equiv X^{\mu} P^{\nu} - X^{\nu} P^{\mu}, \; M^{\nu \mu} = -M^{\mu \nu}<br />


<br /> M&#039;^{\mu \nu} = \Lambda^{\mu}{}_{\rho} \, \Lambda^{\nu}{}_{\pi} \, M^{\rho \pi}<br />

thank you, does that mean that if the length is contracted by k, the momentum is also contracted by k, and the angular momentum by k^2?
 
scope said:
thank you, does that mean that if the length is contracted by k, the momentum is also contracted by k, and the angular momentum by k^2?

In general a Lorentz transformation doesn't reduce to just length contraction and time dilation. I believe the way you've stated it would work if the angular momentum tensor was diagonal, but actually it's the off-diagonal components that are interpreted as the angular momentum.
 
The matrix corresponding to \Lambda^{\mu}{}_{\nu} uses \mu as a row index and \nu as a column index. For example, for the common relative motion along the Ox_{1}-axis, the matrix is:

<br /> \hat{\Lambda} \rightarrow \left[\begin{array}{cccc}<br /> \gamma &amp; -\beta \, \gamma &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> <br /> -\beta \, \gamma &amp; \gamma &amp; 0 &amp; 0 \\<br /> <br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 &amp; 0 \\<br /> <br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1<br /> \end{array}\right]<br />

where:

<br /> \gamma = (1 - \beta)^{-1/2}, \; \beta = V/c<br />

For the angular momentum tensor, one needs X^{\mu} = (c t, \mathbf{r}) and P^{\mu} = (E/c, \mathbf{p}). Therefore, we can write:

<br /> M^{i 0} = X^{i} \, P^{0} - X^{0} \, P^{i} = x_{i} \, \frac{E}{c} - c t \, p_{i}<br />

i.e. they are the Cartesian components of the vector:

<br /> \frac{E}{c} \, \mathbf{r} - c t \, \mathbf{p}<br />

<br /> M^{i j} = X^{i} \, P^{j} - X^{j} \, P^{i} = x_{i} \, p_{j} - x_{j} \, p_{i} = \epsilon_{i j k} \, L_{k}<br />

where \epsilon_{i j k} is the Levi-Civita completely antisymmetric symbol (\epsilon_{1 2 3} = +1) and L_{k} are the Cartesian components of the angular momentum pseudo-vector \mathbf{L} = \mathbf{r} \times \mathbf{p}.
 
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So, for example, to find how L_{z} transforms under a conventional Lorentz transformation, you should look how M^{1 2} = L_{z} transforms according to the general rule:

<br /> L&#039;_{z} \equiv M&#039;^{1 2} = \Lambda^{1}{}_{0} \, \Lambda^{2}{}_{2} \, M^{0 2} + \Lambda^{1}{}_{1} \, \Lambda^{2}{}_{2} \, M^{1 2} = \gamma \left(L_{z} - \beta \, c (t p_{y} - \frac{E}{c^{2}} \, y) \right)<br />
 
Dickfore said:
So, for example, to find how L_{z} transforms under a conventional Lorentz transformation, you should look how M^{1 2} = L_{z} transforms according to the general rule:

<br /> L&#039;_{z} \equiv M&#039;^{1 2} = \Lambda^{1}{}_{0} \, \Lambda^{2}{}_{2} \, M^{0 2} + \Lambda^{1}{}_{1} \, \Lambda^{2}{}_{2} \, M^{1 2} = \gamma \left(L_{z} - \beta \, c (t p_{y} - \frac{E}{c^{2}} \, y) \right)<br />

thank you, but then how is the "contraction factor" of the angular momentum for Lz or any other coordinate, (simply) calculated?
 
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I don't have a clue what a 'contraction factor for angular momentum' means. This is how the components of angular momentum are transformed when we go from one frame of reference to another.
 
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scope said:
thank you, but then how is the "contraction factor" of the angular momentum for Lz or any other coordinate, (simply) calculated?

It doesn't reduce to a simple contraction factor. That's the point of #6.
 
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Each Lorenz transformation can be composed of space rotations and a simple boost. It is clear how angular momentum transforms under simple space rotations. So, it remains to look for a simple boost affecting only, say, x and t coordinates. Then the contraction factor is the standard one.
 
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arkajad said:
Each Lorenz transformation can be composed of space rotations and a simple boost. It is clear how angular momentum transforms under simple space rotations. So, it remains to look for a simple boost affecting only, say, x and t coordinates. Then the contraction factor is the standard one.

The only problem is that the angular momentum is a 2-fold (antisymmetric) tensor, so it carries two Lorentz indices and you might perform a rotation with respect to one of them and a boost with respect to the other.
 
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That is not a problem, because even when it has two indices, the same Lorentz transformation acts on both of them, not two different.
 
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arkajad said:
Each Lorenz transformation can be composed of space rotations and a simple boost. It is clear how angular momentum transforms under simple space rotations. So, it remains to look for a simple boost affecting only, say, x and t coordinates. Then the contraction factor is the standard one.
No, it's a rank-2 tensor. It doesn't transform like a rank-1 tensor. Write out the tensor transformation law for a simple case, and you'll see that the result looks nothing like what you'd have for a 4-vector.
 
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A tensor transforms under the tensor product of the representation. There is nothing mysterious about it. 2-tensor transforms with R\otimes R where R is the vector (or -co-vector) representation. Then there can be covariant and contravariant tensors. For a covariant tensor you need to take the contragradient representation - that's all.

Or, in simple terms, each index transforms with the same transformation matrix (perhaps a contragradient one).
 

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