LR Circuit with resistors in parallel

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The discussion revolves around solving an LR circuit problem with resistors in parallel, where the participant struggles with the complexity compared to previous examples. They calculate the total equivalent resistance as 25/3 ohms and determine the total current from the battery to be 4.2 Amperes, with a current of 1.4 Amperes through the inductor branch at steady state. The participant expresses confusion about how to incorporate the various resistor values into their calculations and the role of the time constant. They mention the potential utility of Thevenin equivalents but note that this concept is not covered in their syllabus. The conversation emphasizes the need to understand the equivalent resistance seen by the inductor for accurate time constant calculations.
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Homework Statement




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Homework Equations




V = IR

I = V/R (1 - e^(-t / τ))

τ = L / R


The Attempt at a Solution



I'm so thrown off by these two problems. Every example I have done has nothing in parallel and it is simple, but my homework question involves having to do a much more difficult problem.


I've tried just plugging things in, but I cannot figure out which values of R go in.

If I(t) is the current in the inductor branch, then I think I(t) = I_max * (1 = e^(-t/τ))
From looking at t -> ∞, I calculated the total equivalent resistance as 25/3 ohms and got that the total current would be 4.2 Amperes, then the current going through the inductor branch is 1.2 Amperes (at infinity).

I tried 1.2 (1 - e^(-t / (τ) ))
and using τ = 4.2 / (25/3)
and I've tried using τ = 4.2 / 10


I tried setting up loop-rule equations for the outer loop and the lower half + a sum of currents equation, but I am fairly confident that doing this is not the best way to go about the problem. (and solving that is far beyond ap physics)

I understand equivalent resistance + equations for inductance + ohm's law, so no need to have to reexplain those things. (unless I did something wrong with them)
 
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Your current Imax doesn't look right. Can you show your calculation?

Are you familiar with Thevenin equivalents? This would be an excellent tool here.
 
I'm not familiar with those, but I know they don't appear on any of the notes I have, nor are they in the syllabus.

Anywho, equivalent resistance is 25/3. (1 / (1/10 + 1/5) ) + 5 = 8.333...

V = IR
I = V/R

I get that total current (at the battery) = 35 / 8.3333...
Itotal = 4.2 Amperes

At t-> infinity, the inductor acts like a wire, so I can ignore it for calculating I through the branches.

the 4.2 amperes splits off in two branches, 2/3 of it going to the to and 1/3 going to the bottom, which should give the two branches the same potential difference.

So 4.2 * 1/3 = 1.4 Amperes

I typed 1.2 above, but my work on paper says 1.4, so I think that was just a typo. I am still not sure where to go with plugging in the R values.

My guess is that the time constant needs to include all of the R-values, because I would think that the other resistances play a factor in how quickly the current is going to change.
 
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I'm not familiar with those, but I know they don't appear on any of the notes I have, nor are they in the syllabus.

Anywho, equivalent resistance is 25/3. (1 / (1/10 + 1/5) ) + 5 = 8.333...
Okay, total resistance as "seen" by the battery. Good.
V = IR
I = V/R

I get that total current (at the battery) = 35 / 8.3333...
Itotal = 4.2 Amperes
Yup. That's good.
At t-> infinity, the inductor acts like a wire, so I can ignore it for calculating I through the branches.

the 4.2 amperes splits off in two branches, 2/3 of it going to the to and 1/3 going to the bottom, which should give the two branches the same potential difference.

So 4.2 * 1/3 = 1.4 Amperes
Yes, good again.
I typed 1.2 above, but my work on paper says 1.4, so I think that was just a typo. I am still not sure where to go with plugging in the R values.

My guess is that the time constant needs to include all of the R-values, because I would think that the other resistances play a factor in how quickly the current is going to change.
Okay, putting aside the Thevenin equivalent thing but borrowing a bit of its power, suppose you were to pull the inductor out of the circuit and look into the network at its connection points. What equivalent resistance would you see? NOTE: For this exercise you want to "suppress" the sources. That means you can replace the voltage source with a short circuit (a piece of wire). if there had been a current source you could have replaced it with an open circuit -- that is, simply removed it.

This equivalent resistance will be this resistance that the inductor sees from its source of voltage or current. It's the resistance that goes into the time constant calculation.
 
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