Magnetic flux and inductance?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between magnetic flux, inductance, and the effects of placing an iron tube around a current-carrying wire. Participants explore whether the increase in inductance is due to an increase in total magnetic flux or a redistribution of flux density due to the presence of the iron tube.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that a current flowing in a straight wire generates magnetic flux around it and questions how the introduction of an iron tube affects this flux and inductance.
  • Another participant states that the magnetic field is concentrated in the iron due to its higher magnetic permeability.
  • A subsequent reply emphasizes that the previous response does not directly address the original question regarding the nature of the flux change.
  • One participant applies Ampere's law to derive that the magnetic field strength (H) remains constant around the wire, leading to an increased flux density (B) in the iron tube, suggesting that more actual flux is produced.
  • A participant questions whether the H field remains unchanged in the air outside the tube, seeking clarification on the effects of the iron tube on the surrounding magnetic field.
  • A later reply confirms that the H field remains unchanged in the air outside the tube.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the increase in inductance is due to an increase in total flux or a concentration of flux in the iron. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific mechanisms at play.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully clarified the assumptions regarding the behavior of the magnetic field in different media or the implications of the iron tube's presence on the overall magnetic field configuration.

Thomas_h_h_
If a current flows in a straight wire, a certain amount of magnetic flux will be generated around it.

Now suppose I put an iron tube around the wire (but don't change the current). I know the inductance will increase, but is that because more total flux is now being generated, or is the total flux still the same but more of it is now concentrated in the iron, close to the wire, instead of floating around far away in the air as previously?
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Putting it another way, I know the flux density close to the wire will increase, but it that because more actual flux is generated or is it because some of the flux in the air has been 'sucked up' into the iron instead (so the flux density in the air has been reduced -a trade from one place to the other)?
 
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The magnetic field is concentrated in the iron because of the higher magnetic permeability of iron.
 
Yes but that doesn't answer my question though
 
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From Ampere's law around the wire,
∫H.dl=I, where I is the current in the wire.
Since you used a circular iron tube, H will be constant on its circumference and ∫dl=2πr.
So,
H=I/2πr.
But flux density B=μH.
So, in the iron tube, the flux density will be more than it would be without the iron tube, which means more actual flux is produced.
 
So the H field remains unchanged in the air outside the tube?
 
Thomas_h_h_ said:
So the H field remains unchanged in the air outside the tube?
Yes.
 

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