Magnetic flux given magnetic field and sides (using variables)

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The discussion revolves around calculating magnetic flux using the formula Flux = ABcosθ, where the angle θ is zero, simplifying to Flux = AB. The initial calculation yielded Flux = ka^2, but the correct answer is identified as Flux = (1/2)ka^3. The confusion arises from the value of the magnetic field B, which varies with position as B = ky, leading to the need for an average value of B across the area. The average value used is B = (1/2)ka, resulting in the correct flux calculation. Understanding the average magnetic field is crucial for arriving at the correct answer.
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Homework Statement
A square loop of sides "a" lies in the yz plane with one corner at the origin. A varying magnetic field B = ky. points in the positive x direction and passes through the loop (k is a constant). The magnetic flux through the loop is: ##ka^3/2## or ##ka^3/3## or ##ka^2/2## or ##ka^2## or none of the above.
Relevant Equations
##Magnetic~flux=ABcos\theta##
##B=k_y##
##A= a^2##
I know the answer is ##ka^3/2##. I got ##ka^2## and I don't know how to get the right answer. I saw an explanation using integrals, but my class is algebra-based. My attempt:
##Flux=ABcos\theta##. I figure ##cos\theta## is 1 becuase the angle between the magnetic field and the normal to the plane is 0.
##Flux=AB##
##Flux=ka^2##
Please point me in the right direction. Thank you!
 

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cestlavie said:
##Flux=AB##
##Flux=ka^2##
In going from the first equation to the second equation, what did you use for ##A## and what did you use for ##B##?
 
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TSny said:
In going from the first equation to the second equation, what did you use for ##A## and what did you use for ##B##?
@TSny I used ##a^2## for A and ##k## for B. B is technically ##k_y## but the answer options do not include the subscript.
 
cestlavie said:
@TSny I used ##a^2## for A and ##k## for B. B is technically ##k_y## but the answer options do not include the subscript.
I don't think ##y## is a subscript. The magnetic field varies with position as ##B = ky##. At the left side of the square where ##y = 0##, you have ##B = 0##. At the right side where ##y = a##, you have ##B = ka##.
 
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TSny said:
I don't think ##y## is a subscript. The magnetic field varies with position as ##B = ky##. At the left side of the square where ##y = 0##, you have ##B = 0##. At the right side where ##y = a##, you have ##B = ka##.
@TSny My professor formatted y as a subscript -_-. That explains the cubed value, but I still don't see where 0.5 comes from. If ##B=ky## and ##A=a^2##:
##Flux = BA = (ka)(a^2) = ka^3##
 
cestlavie said:
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##Flux = BA = (ka)(a^2) = ka^3##
Here you substituted ##B = ka##. But that's the value of ##B## at the far right edge of the square. For most of the square, the B-field is not that strong. You'll need to think about an appropriate average value of B to use.
 
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TSny said:
Here you substituted ##B = ka##. But that's the value of ##B## at the far right edge of the square. For most of the square, the B-field is not that strong. You'll need to think about an appropriate average value of B to use.
@TSny Got it. So they used ##B=\frac {k^a} {2}## for the average value, resulting in the answer with 0.5.
 
cestlavie said:
@TSny Got it. So they used ##B=\frac {k^a} {2}## for the average value, resulting in the answer with 0.5.
Yes. Nice work.
 
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