Magnetic forces exerted by current-carrying wires

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The problem involves three long wires with linear mass density, where the upper wire must "float" to form an equilateral triangle with the two lower wires. Each wire carries equal currents, and the challenge is to determine the necessary current for the upper wire to achieve this equilibrium.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the upper wire, noting the need for a magnetic force to counteract its weight. Questions arise regarding the calculation of forces due to the non-parallel arrangement of the wires and the determination of mass without a known length.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints regarding the components of the forces acting on the upper wire and suggested thinking in terms of force per unit length. The discussion reflects a progression towards understanding the relationships between the forces and the mass of the upper wire, with some clarity achieved on the parallel nature of the wires.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the lack of information about the length of the upper wire and the implications of the wires' arrangement on force calculations.

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Homework Statement


The figure (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/northerndancer/thefigure.jpg?t=1173558797 ) is a cross section through three long wires with linear mass density 50 g/m. They each carry equal currents in the directions shown. The lower two wires are 4.0 cm apart and are attached to a table. What current I will allow the upper wire to "float" so as to form an equilateral triangle with the lower wires?

Homework Equations


F=I1LB2 (magnetic force between two parallel wires)
F=mg (force due to an object's weight)



The Attempt at a Solution


The two bottom wires exert attractive magnetic forces on each other because they are parallel and both of their currents move in the same direction. In order for the third wire to "float", it must be repelled by the two lower wires by a magnetic force equal and opposite to its weight. But:

-The upper wire is not parallel to the lower wires, so I'm not sure how to calculate the force each lower wire exerts on the upper wire.
-How do I calculate the mass of the upper wire if I don't know its length?

Thanks for any hints.
 
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SA32 said:
In order for the third wire to "float", it must be repelled by the two lower wires by a magnetic force equal and opposite to its weight.
Good!

But:

-The upper wire is not parallel to the lower wires, so I'm not sure how to calculate the force each lower wire exerts on the upper wire.
Sure they are parallel. They are not in the same vertical line, but all three wires are parallel. What direction is the force from each lower wire on the top wire? Hint: Consider the vertical and horizontal components of those forces.
-How do I calculate the mass of the upper wire if I don't know its length?
Think in terms of force per unit length and mass per unit length.
 
Okay I think I see, the top wire is parallel to each of the bottom wires, just the force from each has both an x-component and y-component. But the x-components cancel out and so the net magnetic force on the top wire is just straight up, isn't it?

And looking again at the equation for the force between parallel wires, I think I get what you mean about the mass. The equation for magnetic force involves L, and then if I equate it to mg and make "m" = (50 g/m)*L the lengths should cancel out?
 
Exactly right.
 

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