Magnetic Gloves for scaling skyscrapers

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The discussion centers on the feasibility of creating magnetic gloves or boots that allow a person to climb metal buildings using electromagnets. A force of approximately 6533.3 N is needed to adhere to the building, based on a weight assumption of 100 kg. Participants debate the coefficient of friction, suggesting values around 0.15 for iron-to-iron contact, and discuss the potential benefits of using permanent magnets instead of electromagnets. Recommendations include using a thin layer of rubber or cigarette paper on the magnet to enhance grip in various conditions. The conversation highlights the complexities of material behavior and design considerations for such a climbing system.
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Hi!

I was wondering how I would go about solving a problem like this: (I have experience with up to multi-variable calculus and moderate level physics)

So I'm trying to see if it's plausible to create electromagnets, which fit into gloves and/or boots, that would allow a person to climb around a metal building like a bug. I'm assuming your entire system (body and gear) weighs 100 kg for the sake of this problem. I've managed to figure out that to stay connected to the building you'll need the magnet to apply a force of about 6533.3 N to the building you're on. My question is, how do I calculate, under reasonable assumptions made about the design of such items (fits in the hand, no area as large as 10 m^2 for example) the electrical requirements for such a feat (voltages, current, etc.)

Thank you!
 
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That seems like a large force, what did you use for the coefficient of friction?
 
billy_joule said:
That seems like a large force, what did you use for the coefficient of friction?
Iron to iron under less-than-optimal conditions, or 0.15
 
I would recommend a thin layer of rubber over your magnet...
 
Why use electromagnets? You could use PMs with sliding pole pieces that enable or disable the external field.
Check out magnetic chucks. http://www.themagnetguide.com/magnetic-chuck.html

billy_joule said:
I would recommend a thin layer of rubber over your magnet...
Rubber is OK when it is dry. Water is a natural lubricant for rubber. Something like thin cigarette paper can be glued to the face of the magnet. It then works when wet or dry.
 
Baluncore said:
Rubber is OK when it is dry. Water is a natural lubricant for rubber. Something like thin cigarette paper can be glued to the face of the magnet. It then works when wet or dry.
Rice papers tear at the very mention of water IME - long time roll your own smoker
 
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billy_joule said:
Rice papers tear at the very mention of water IME
The behaviour of a material is dependent on how it is supported. When thin paper is glued to a clean chuck, the fibres attach to the chuck and not to each other. When machining “slippery” metal held in a steel chuck, a cigarette paper which is cheap, thin, and has accurate dimensions, increases friction. There are many different types of paper available.
 
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