Magnitude of acceleration with friction

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the magnitude of acceleration of a block being pushed across a horizontal surface with friction. The scenario includes a force applied at an angle, a coefficient of kinetic friction, and the mass of the block.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the role of the vertical component of the applied force in affecting the normal force and frictional force. There are attempts to separate forces into components and reconsider the calculations for friction.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on recalculating the normal force and frictional force based on the vertical component of the applied force. There is an acknowledgment of different interpretations regarding how to account for these forces, and one participant expresses a newfound understanding of the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes varying interpretations of how to calculate the normal force and frictional force, with participants questioning their assumptions about the contributions of the applied force's vertical component.

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Homework Statement



A block is pushed across a horizontal surface by the force shown (The force is from the left at an angle 30 degrees above the horizontal). If the coefficient of kinetic friction between the block and the surface is 0.30, F=20 N, theta=30 degrees, and M=3.0kg, what is the magnitude of the acceleration of the block.

Homework Equations



Fk=(.3)mg

F-Fk=ma

The Attempt at a Solution



(20 N)(cos 30) - (.3)(3.0 kg)(9.8 m/s2) = (3.0 kg)a

a = 2.83 m/s2

This is incorrect though, and some how should be 1.8. I have tried separating it into X and Y forces and taking the magnitude (square root of x2+y2, but that is even farther away)
 
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Vertical component of the applied force contributes to the normal reaction. So you to recalculate the frictional force.
 
Alright I've thrown this in a few varying ways, but let me just say what I'm thinking so you can let me know where I've gone wrong. The frictional force is the coefficient * mass * gravity, and the Normal is mass*gravity. Since the force has a vertical element then it is also contributing to the downward force, 20N*sin30. Do I just add the result of that downward force to the frictional force?
 
No. downward force 20Nsin30 adds to mg. These two constitute the normal reaction. From that find the frictional force.
 
I've never seen it that way before but I think I'm starting to get it. In my free form diagram I drew the NL as mg + Fsin30. So Fk is not Ukmg, but UkNL. Which comes out to 11.82 in this scenario, and put in exactly as I had it setup before makes the acceleration 1.8. Thanks so much, not only did I get the right answer, I understand why!
 

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