Magnitude of the induced magnetic field in a circuit

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The discussion revolves around a circuit involving a capacitor, resistor, and battery, specifically focusing on the induced magnetic field within the capacitor as it charges. The problem is situated within the context of electromagnetism and circuit theory.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between electric field changes and induced magnetic fields, questioning the dimensional consistency of their calculations. They discuss the application of relevant equations, including the displacement current concept and its implications for calculating magnetic fields.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the correct approach to relate the displacement current to the induced magnetic field. Some participants have provided insights into the necessary adjustments to their reasoning, while others express confusion regarding the application of different equations and the interpretation of current in the context of the problem.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of charging capacitors in RC circuits, including the definitions and roles of displacement current versus total current. There is an acknowledgment of potential missing information regarding the area used in calculations and the specific setup of the problem.

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Homework Statement


The circuit in Fig. 32-31 consists of switch S, a 12.0 V ideal battery, a 20.0 M resistor, and an air-filled capacitor. The capacitor has parallel circular plates of radius 5.00 cm, separated by 3.00mm. At time t=0, switch S is
closed to begin charging the capacitor. The electric field between the plates is uniform. At t=250 ms, what is the magnitude of the magnetic field within the capacitor, at radial distance 3.00 cm?

Homework Equations


∫ B⋅ds = ε0E/dt

The Attempt at a Solution


I started by looking at dφE/dt. I said dφE/dt = dE/dt * A. Then I said that q = CV and therefore dq/dt = C dV/dt --> dv/dt = I/C. For a parallel plate capacitor we know that ΔV = E*d so taking the derivative dV/dt = dE/dt*d -- > dE/dt = 1/d * dV/dt. I then plug in the previously found dV/dt (=I/C) and since for a parallel capacitor C = ε0 * A/d, dE/dt = 1/d * I*d/ε0*A = I/(ε0*A). I'm quite confused because this gives me units of A*Newtons*m^2/coulombs^2, which is V/m/s. This seems dimensionally incorrect to me. Could anyone point me in the right direction?
 

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L_landau said:
dE/dt = ... = I/(ε0*A).
OK
I'm quite confused because this gives me units of A*Newtons*m^2/coulombs^2,
This isn't quite right. Looks like you forgot to include the units for the area.
... which is V/m/s. This seems dimensionally incorrect to me.
You should find the units to be V/(m⋅s). Recall that the SI unit for E can be written V/m.

You can see that to find dE/dt at some time t, you will need the current at that time. You probably covered equations for charging a capacitor in an RC circuit that would be helpful here.
 
Ah I see. I was getting a different answer when I finished that line of reasoning but I just realized that it's because the magnetic field generated is supposed to be from the current ∫B⋅ds=μ0 Ienc rather than from a change in electric flux. This is kind of confusing to me because I thought that when a capacitor is being charged we say that there's a change of flux that induces a B-field. Any insight?
 
Your original approach looks good to me. B is due to the changing flux of E. I just noticed that your equation ∫ B⋅ds = ε0E/dt in your first post is missing a factor of μ0.

You can think of the equation ∫B⋅ds=μ0 Ienc as applying if you interpret Ienc as the "displacement current" enclosed. But the displacement current is defined as ε0E/dt.
 
so finishing this problem I have
I = (ε/R)e-t/RC --> ∫B⋅ds = μ0 (ε/R) e-t/RC. This leads to
B = μ0/(2πr) (ε/R) e-t/RC which for the time given leads to B = 2.34x10-12, but the correct answer is 8.4x10-13. Any ideas where I could be going wrong? The answer just uses B = μ0 id r / (2πR2) for the magnetic field inside of wires. The id is the displacement current.
 
L_landau said:
so finishing this problem I have
I = (ε/R)e-t/RC --> ∫B⋅ds = μ0 (ε/R) e-t/RC.
Here you are using the total current I going into the capacitor.

Instead, you need to use the displacement current through the appropriate area. You should think about what area constitutes the appropriate area. So, the current you need is I'd0E/dt where φE needs to be calculated for the appropriate area. I use a prime on I here to denote the displacement current through the appropriate area as opposed to the total displacement current Id for the entire area of a plate. Id (for the entire area of the plate) can be shown to equal the total current I going into the capacitor. But, I'd is only a certain fraction of Id.

If you set it up correctly, you should be able to show how the result is equivalent to the expression B = μ0 id r / (2πR2)
 

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