Magnitude, Unit vectors,unknown variables

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The discussion revolves around vector operations in R^3, specifically focusing on the vectors a = (1, 7, -4) and b = -3j - 4k. Participants are tasked with finding the magnitude of a linear combination of these vectors, determining a unit vector in the same direction, and finding a vector of a specified length in the direction of vector a.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the calculation of the magnitude of the vector expression 3a - 3b, questioning the representation of vector b and the meaning of j and k. There is discussion about the correct application of formulas for vector magnitude and unit vectors.

Discussion Status

Some participants have clarified the notation used for vector b and have confirmed the calculations for the magnitude. There is ongoing exploration of how to derive the unit vector and the vector of length 8 in the direction of a, with some participants expressing uncertainty about their equations and values.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that certain concepts were not covered in their recent lectures, leading to confusion about vector notation and calculations. There is an emphasis on ensuring the correct understanding of the relationships between the vectors involved.

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Homework Statement


a and b are vectors in R^3 s.t. a=(1,7,-4) and b= -3j-4k

1. Find ||3a-3b|| (magnitude of 3a-3b)
2. Find unit vector u in direction of 3a-3b, write answer in form (u1,u2,u3)
3. Find vector of length 8 in direction of a (write answer in form "-")


Homework Equations


||3a-3b|| = 3||a-b|| = 3*sqrt((a1-b1)^2 +...(a3-b3)^2)
3 is positve scalar and can be factored out I believe

U = X/ ||X|| , X ≠ 0


Length = sqrt(x^2 + y^2) (might be wrong, I am confused on finding length in same dir)



The Attempt at a Solution



Starting solving 1.
3||a-b|| = 3 sqrt((1+3j+4k)^2 + (7+3j+4k)^2 + (-4+3j+4k)^2)
I don't know what j and k represent

2. I would need to know ||3a-3b|| first right?
then do X/||X||?

3. a= (1,7,-4) and L=8
L is in same direction of a so
8 = sqrt((u1-1)^2 + (u2-7)^2 + (u3 +4)^2) -> or maybe the a vals and u's are switched i don't know
 
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concon said:
3||a-b|| = 3 sqrt((1+3j+4k)^2 + (7+3j+4k)^2 + (-4+3j+4k)^2)

Not sure where this comes from.

The formula is that if we are given ##a = (a_1,a_2,a_3)## and ##b = (b_1, b_2, b_3)##, then

\|a-b\|= \sqrt{(a_1 - b_1)^2 + (a_2 - b_2)^2 + (a_3 - b_3)^2}

Here you are given ##a= (1,7,-4)## and ##b=(0,-3,-4)##.
 
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micromass said:
Not sure where this comes from.

The formula is that if we are given ##a = (a_1,a_2,a_3)## and ##b = (b_1, b_2, b_3)##, then

\|a-b\|= \sqrt{(a_1 - b_1)^2 + (a_2 - b_2)^2 + (a_3 - b_3)^2}

Here you are given ##a= (1,7,-4)## and ##b=(0,-3,-4)##.
Wow wait a minute, how do you know the values for b as (0,-3, -4)?
What do j and k represent?

Also, do you have any input regarding the other two questions I posted w/in this post?
 
concon said:
Wow wait a minute, how do you know the values for b as (0,-3, -4)?
What do j and k represent?

The notation ##-3j -4k## is just another notation for ##(0,-3,-4)##.

The vector ##i## actually equals ##(1,0,0)##. The vector ##j=(0,1,0)## and ##k=(0,0,1)##. So

-3-4k = -3(0,1,0) -4 (0,0,1) = (0,-3,0) + (0,0,-4) = (0,-3,-4)

Also, do you have any input regarding the other two questions I posted w/in this post?

Sure, but let's do (a) first.
 
micromass said:
The notation ##-3j -4k## is just another notation for ##(0,-3,-4)##.

The vector ##i## actually equals ##(1,0,0)##. The vector ##j=(0,1,0)## and ##k=(0,0,1)##. So

-3-4k = -3(0,1,0) -4 (0,0,1) = (0,-3,0) + (0,0,-4) = (0,-3,-4)



Sure, but let's do (a) first.
Okay gotcha, thanks! My prof did not cover that this lecture so I was unclear.

Okay so with that in mind ||a-b|| = sqrt(101) right?
and since 3 is a positive number it can be factored out thus,

3*sqrt(101) = ||3a-3b|| right?
 
concon said:
Okay gotcha, thanks! My prof did not cover that this lecture so I was unclear.

Okay so with that in mind ||a-b|| = sqrt(101) right?
and since 3 is a positive number it can be factored out thus,

3*sqrt(101) = ||3a-3b|| right?

Yes, that's correct.

So, can you use this to solve (b) now?
 
micromass said:
Yes, that's correct.

So, can you use this to solve (b) now?
I think so but is my equation correct? Which values am I using
 
micromass said:
Yes, that's correct.

So, can you use this to solve (b) now?
actually scratch that I got the answer. I got:
U = (1/sqrt 101, 10/sqrt 101, 0)

How do I do the last part about length?
 
Given your vector ##a##, then if ##\lambda>0## is a real number, then ##\lambda a## lies in the same direction of ##a##. So your answer will be ##\lambda a##. Your only job is to figure out what ##\lambda## is exactly.

You want ##\|\lambda a\| = 8##. Can you figure out what ##\lambda## is now?
 
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yep got the answer as (8/sqrt 66 , 56/sqrt 66 , -32/sqrt 66)
 
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Right!
 

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