B Manipulating quantities with natural units

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The discussion revolves around the validity of manipulating quantities using natural units, specifically converting energy in joules to mass. The user explores the relationship between energy and mass via the equation m = E/c², questioning whether numerical values and their associated units can be treated algebraically. They demonstrate this with a conversion example, suggesting that energy values can be rearranged while maintaining unit consistency. Other participants affirm that the approach is valid, emphasizing the importance of using consistent units in calculations. The conversation highlights the flexibility of unit manipulation in physics when adhering to dimensional analysis principles.
etotheipi
I'm only really just learning how natural units work so forgive me if this seems like a silly question.

I was just wondering if someone could verify whether the following line of reasoning is valid (I will use joules instead of electron volts just so we can ignore the e conversion factor for now). I'm just going to convert say 5J into a mass.

I first set c to 1 light second per second. Then noting that $$m = \frac{E}{c^{2}}$$ I say that $$m = \frac{5J}{(1 ls s^{-1})^{2}} = 5 \frac{J}{(ls s^{-1})^{2}}$$ Though this is an ugly unit so I'll just write it as $$5 \frac{J}{c^{2}}$$ When I feel like converting back into SI units, this is equivalent to $$5 \frac{J}{(3*10^{8} m s^{-1})^{2}}=\frac{5}{(3*10^{8})^{2}} \frac{J}{(m s^{-1})^{2}}=\frac{5}{(3*10^{8})^{2}} \frac{kg m^{2} s^{-2}}{(m s^{-1})^{2}}=\frac{5}{(3*10^{8})^{2}} kg$$

The logic seems ok to me when I consider the unit to be just as important a part of the overall quantity as the numerical value preceding it and so I treat it just like a normal algebraic variable.

I guess the main point of my question is whether we can move values between the units and their numerical 'coefficients' so to speak. So something like $$300 MeV / c^{2}$$ can be rearranged to $$\frac{300}{(3*10^{8})^2} \frac{MeV}{(m s^{-1})^{2}}$$ and so on.
 
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Hello.
etotheipi said:
I guess the main point of my question is whether we can move values between the units and their numerical 'coefficients' so to speak.
It seems OK to me as in plain case,
300\ km/h=300\times 1000 \ m/h = 300/3600 \ km/s
 
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If you use light-second as the unit of length, then you must also use it in your unit of energy.
[Energy] = ML2T-2
(Joule uses meter as the unit of length.)
 
So I know that electrons are fundamental, there's no 'material' that makes them up, it's like talking about a colour itself rather than a car or a flower. Now protons and neutrons and quarks and whatever other stuff is there fundamentally, I want someone to kind of teach me these, I have a lot of questions that books might not give the answer in the way I understand. Thanks
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