Mass Flow Rate Uncertainty: A simple problem gone horribly, horribly wrong

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of mass flow rate and its associated uncertainties in a water flow system. Participants explore the implications of measurement precision from scales and stopwatches on the overall uncertainty of the flow rate, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of uncertainty estimation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the mass flow rate as 0.2 kg/s and attempts to estimate the uncertainty for time intervals of 10s and 60s, initially arriving at a 3.2% uncertainty.
  • The participant questions their calculation after finding a discrepancy with a known answer of 1.6%.
  • Another participant suggests that the uncertainty in mass should not be ±0.05 kg, proposing instead that it should be ±0.025 kg, indicating a misunderstanding of how to interpret scale readings.
  • A later reply confirms the reasoning that the uncertainty should be half of the smallest increment, supporting the ±0.025 kg value for the scale reading.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of determining uncertainty based on the smallest increment of measurement. However, there is disagreement regarding the initial calculations of the mass flow rate uncertainty, as one participant's method leads to a different result than expected.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in the assumptions made about measurement precision and the interpretation of uncertainty in the context of mass flow rate calculations. Specific mathematical steps and the rationale behind uncertainty propagation are not fully resolved.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in experimental physics, engineering measurements, or anyone dealing with uncertainty in quantitative analysis.

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The Mass Flow Rate in a water flow system determined by collecting the discharge over a timed interval is 0.2 kg/s. The scales used can be read to the nearest 0.05kg and stop watch is accurate to 0.2 s. Estimate the precision with which the flow rate can be calculated for time intervals of a.) 10s and b.) 60s

Mdot= mass flow rate

Ok so I found the change in mass by using the flow-rate and given time: m = (Mdot)(change in time) so m = (0.2kg/s)(10s) = 2kg

Then i found the uncertainty in the time and mass:

Ut = 0.2s/10s = 0.02s
Um= 0.05kg/2kg

Then I took uncertainty of the mass flow rate, which came from a bunch of partials like this (d is delta):

UMdot = +/- {[(m/Mdot)(dMdot/delta m)(Um)^2 + (t/Mdot)(dMdot/dt)(Ut)^2]}^(1/2)

Then

UMdot = +/- {[((1)( +/- 0.025)^2 + ((-1)(0.02)^2]}^1/2

=0.032 = 3.2%

BUT the answer is exactly half of that, 1.6%

Where the hell did I go wrong?

I can figure out b.) no problem once I figure out why the initial problem isn't working.
 
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If the scale can be read to nearest 0.05 kg, what is then the uncertainty in the mass? (hint: it is not ±0.05 kg as that would mean there had to be 0.1 kg between each mark). Same goes for your clock reading.
 
Filip Larsen said:
If the scale can be read to nearest 0.05 kg, what is then the uncertainty in the mass? (hint: it is not ±0.05 kg as that would mean there had to be 0.1 kg between each mark). Same goes for your clock reading.

so half of the smallest increment? Making it ±0.025 kg.
 
OUmecheng said:
so half of the smallest increment? Making it ±0.025 kg.

Indeed. The assumption is that when you read the weight off the scale you select the nearest mass mark and that means you will select a mark no further away from the true reading than half of the distance between the marks. Or, in other words, the true reading will (with some high probability) lie in the range ± 0.025 from the mark.
 

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