Master the Huperbolic Equation: Solutions with Natural Logarithms

  • Thread starter Thread starter fan_103
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the hyperbolic equation sinh(2x) + 4cosh(x) = 6sinh(x) + 12, with a focus on expressing solutions in terms of natural logarithms. Participants explore various hyperbolic identities and transformations to manipulate the equation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to simplify the equation using hyperbolic identities but expresses uncertainty about the next steps. Other participants share their approaches, including converting the equation to exponential form and completing the square. Some question the necessity of certain terms and explore different methods to arrive at potential solutions.

Discussion Status

Participants have shared various approaches and partial solutions, with some noting errors in calculations and others suggesting alternative methods. There is an ongoing exploration of the problem, with no explicit consensus on a single solution path, but multiple interpretations and methods are being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention specific identities for hyperbolic functions and express concerns about sign errors in their calculations. There is also a reference to the need for clarity on the number of solutions derived from different approaches.

fan_103
Messages
24
Reaction score
0
1.Solve the equation sinh2x+ 4coshx = 6sinhx+ 12 giving your answers in terms of natural logarithms2. Sinh2x= 2SinhxCoshx
Cosh2x=2Cosh^2x-1

3. 2SinhxCoshx+4Coshx =6Sinhx+12
I don't know what to do next please help me!
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
I ve got the answer! ;)
 
Can you share it with us? I filled in most of a page last night, but stopped before getting solutions for x. There are two other identities that you didn't list: cosh x = (1/2)(ex + e-x) and sinh x = (1/2)(ex - e-x).

I converted the equation using these identities and eventually got to
e2x - 2ex - e-2x - 10e-x = 24.
I completed the square in the first pair of terms and the last pair of terms on the left side, and got to this equation:
(ex - 1)2 = (e-x + 5)2
or
ex - 1 = +/-(e-x + 5)

It was getting past my bedtime, so I quit there.

After thinking about it a bit more this morning, I can see that the equation above can be split into two cases. Multiplying by ex yields these two equations:
e2x - 6ex - 1 = 0
e2x + 4ex + 1 = 0

Each of these is a quadratic in ex, so we can solve for ex in each of them, and finally take the natural log to get x.

Is that about what you did?
 


Mark44 said:
Can you share it with us? I filled in most of a page last night, but stopped before getting solutions for x. There are two other identities that you didn't list: cosh x = (1/2)(ex + e-x) and sinh x = (1/2)(ex - e-x).

I converted the equation using these identities and eventually got to
e2x - 2ex - e-2x - 10e-x = 24.
I completed the square in the first pair of terms and the last pair of terms on the left side, and got to this equation:
(ex - 1)2 = (e-x + 5)2
or
ex - 1 = +/-(e-x + 5)

It was getting past my bedtime, so I quit there.

After thinking about it a bit more this morning, I can see that the equation above can be split into two cases. Multiplying by ex yields these two equations:
e2x - 6ex - 1 = 0
e2x + 4ex + 1 = 0

Each of these is a quadratic in ex, so we can solve for ex in each of them, and finally take the natural log to get x.

Is that about what you did?

Its very easy indeed mate.No need to use e^-x
Sinh2x+4Coshx=6Sinhx+12
2SinhxCoshx+4Coshx-6Sinhx+12=0
2Coshx(Sinhx+2)-6(Sinhx+2)=0
(2Coshx-6)(Sinhx+2)=0

Either 2Coshx-6=0
Coshx=3
x=Cosh^-1(3)
=ln(3+\sqrt{9-1})
=ln(3+\sqrt{6})
Or Sinhx=-2
x=Sinh^-1(-2)
=ln (-2+\sqrt{4+1})
=ln(\sqrt{5})-2)
=ln(-2+\sqrt{5})
 


fan_103 said:
Its very easy indeed mate.No need to use e^-x
Sinh2x+4Coshx=6Sinhx+12
2SinhxCoshx+4Coshx-6Sinhx+12=0
2Coshx(Sinhx+2)-6(Sinhx+2)=0
(2Coshx-6)(Sinhx+2)=0

Either 2Coshx-6=0
Coshx=3
x=Cosh^-1(3)
=ln(3+\sqrt{9-1})
=ln(3+\sqrt{6})
Or Sinhx=-2
x=Sinh^-1(-2)
=ln (-2+\sqrt{4+1})
=ln(\sqrt{5})-2)
=ln(-2+\sqrt{5})

Your way is simpler than mine, but after correcting a sign error I made, I get three solutions to your two. BTW, there is an error in the first solution you show. sqrt(9 - 1) = sqrt(8), not sqrt(6). So your two solutions are x = ln(3 + 2sqrt(2)) and x = ln(-2 + sqrt(5)).

My equation (ex - 1)2 = (e-x + 5)2 should have been (ex - 1)2 = (e-x - 5)2

so that ex - 1 = +/-(e-x - 5)

This leads eventually to
e2x - 6ex + 1 = 0 and
e2x + 4ex - 1 = 0

Substituting u = ex

We get u2 -6u + 1 = 0, and
u2 + 4u - 1 = 0

Using the quadratic formula on the first, we get
u = 3 +/- 2sqrt(2), so x = ln(3 +/- 2sqrt(2))

Using the quadratic formula on the second, we get
u = -2 + sqrt(5), so x = ln(-2 + sqrt(5))

The solution I have but you don't is x = ln(3 - 2sqrt(2)).

It's possible that your missing solution came from using cosh-1, but I don't know this for sure.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 25 ·
Replies
25
Views
2K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
2K