Mastering Compound Angles for Perfect Molding Installation

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical and practical challenges of cutting molding at compound angles for installation, particularly when turning a 90-degree corner. Participants explore the geometry involved in achieving accurate cuts with a compound angle saw, considering both traditional and modern molding designs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the need for precise angles when cutting modern flat molding, contrasting it with traditional triangular molding that required simpler cuts.
  • Another participant suggests using a fixture to hold the molding at a 45° angle for cutting, proposing that the cut for the second piece should be the mirror image of the first.
  • Some participants propose that the solution may involve the dot product, while others challenge this notion, indicating that the problem is more complex due to the three-dimensional nature of the objects involved.
  • A participant mentions the use of jigs in woodworking to facilitate accurate cuts, emphasizing their importance in avoiding waste and ensuring precision.
  • Several participants express a desire to understand how mathematics can be applied to solve the cutting problem, with one specifically mentioning the use of geometry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mathematical approach to solving the cutting angles, with some advocating for the dot product and others disputing its applicability. There is no consensus on the best method to determine the angles needed for the cuts.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of the problem, particularly in relation to the three-dimensional aspects of the molding and the cutting process. Assumptions about the geometry and the tools available may not be fully articulated.

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A carpender wants to install molding on the cealing of a room. He needs it to turn a 90 degree corner. In the old days the molding had a trianglar cross section and he had to cut it at a 45 degree setting angle. This was simple.

Today however the molding comes in a flat section. It has to be placed on the wall at 45 degrees to the wall and 45 degrees to the cealing with a trianglar air space behind it. Now he needs it to turn a 90 degree corner.

The way to do this is to cut the molding with a compound angle saw. That is the saw is angled with respect to the center line of the molding called the setting and the saw is tilted with respect to the plane of the molding.

The question is how do you figure out the angle of the tilt and the angle of the blade setting.

I think the answer involves the dot product.

btw In the real world the saws simpley come with the angles marked on the saw.
 
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arydberg said:
A carpender wants to install molding on the cealing of a room. He needs it to turn a 90 degree corner. In the old days the molding had a trianglar cross section and he had to cut it at a 45 degree setting angle. This was simple.

Today however the molding comes in a flat section. It has to be placed on the wall at 45 degrees to the wall and 45 degrees to the cealing with a trianglar air space behind it. Now he needs it to turn a 90 degree corner.

The way to do this is to cut the molding with a compound angle saw. That is the saw is angled with respect to the center line of the molding called the setting and the saw is tilted with respect to the plane of the molding.

The question is how do you figure out the angle of the tilt and the angle of the blade setting.

I think the answer involves the dot product.
I don't believe it does.
arydberg said:
btw In the real world the saws simpley come with the angles marked on the saw.
What I would do is put together a fixture that holds the molding at an angle of 45° off of vertical, the same way the molding goes on the wall and ceiling, then turn the saw blade 45° and make the cut. The cut for the other molding piece should be the mirror image of the first cut.
 
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arydberg said:
I think the answer involves the dot product.
No. If you have the standard formula for the planes (a point in the plane and the normal vector), the cross product of the normal vectors results in a vector along the intersection line. Unfortunately the answer is not quite that easy, since you do not have planes but three-dimensional objects...
 
@Mark44 = his answer is exactly what is done. Those fixtures he refers to are called "jigs" by woodworkers and carpenters. Ex: cutting crown moulding for a complex china closet without a jig would be a very expensive operation: lots of wasted pieces at $20USD per board foot.
 
My question is how do you use mathametics to solve the problem?
 
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arydberg said:
My question is how do you use mathametics to solve the problem?
My answer uses geometry.
 

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