Materiality of elementary particles

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The discussion revolves around the materiality of elementary particles, such as electrons and protons, and whether they possess material substance in the conventional sense. Participants explore definitions of substance, the nature of elementary particles, and the implications of their properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether elementary particles have material substance, seeking clarification on what is meant by "substance."
  • Another participant suggests that if substance is defined as something that carries energy, momentum, and angular momentum, then elementary particles can be considered substances.
  • A participant points out that protons are not elementary particles, as they are composed of quarks.
  • It is proposed that elementary particles are better understood as quantized fields rather than composed of material "stuff," with an analogy of a photon described as a "blob of light."
  • One participant argues that the term 'material' may not apply to subatomic particles unless one considers anything with mass as material, reflecting on historical views of atoms as indivisible units.
  • The same participant notes that while atoms have component parts, these parts do not exhibit properties akin to the elements they constitute.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition of substance and the nature of elementary particles, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include varying definitions of substance and the implications of mass and properties of particles, which may depend on specific interpretations and assumptions.

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Do elementary particles, e.g. electron, protons, etc, have material substance in the ordinary meaning of substance? If so, what is the substance?
 
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What do you mean by "substance"? Elementary particles carry energy, momentum, and angular momentum. If you define substance as something carrying these properties, they are substance.
 
Protons are not elementary - they are made of quarks.
 
Elementary particles are really quantized fields. They are not composed of some "stuff". A field is something that has some value everywhere. Consider the gravitational and the electromagnetic fields.

I remember a physics professor calling a photon a blob of light -- that's the best macroscopic analogy that I know of.
 
'Material' is probably not an applicable term for sub atomic particles, unless you regard anything which has mass as material.
Before sub atomic particles were discovered it was thought that a single atom of some element was as fundamental as possible, a unit which could not be divided further.
That's still true in the sense that a single atom of (say Uranium for example) is as small an amount of Uranium as there can be.
Although we now know that atoms have component parts, a single atom is still as small as you can go and still have 'Uranium'
The component particles have no Uranium-like properties at all, (and it's the same for every other 'element' of the periodic table.
 

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