Challenge Math Challenge - July 2020

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The discussion covers various mathematical problems, including the weak topology on infinite dimensional topological vector spaces, properties of matrix groups, and integrals involving continuous functions. Key solutions include proving that the weak topology is not induced by a norm and demonstrating that certain integral curves on Riemannian manifolds are geodesics. Participants also engage in detailed discussions about the electrostatic potential of charged surfaces and the implications of different integration methods. The thread highlights collaborative problem-solving and the importance of clarity in mathematical communication.
  • #61
mathwonk said:
I am interested in your thoughts on prob. #8. The only solution I know is via non trivial properties of Eilenberg Maclane spaces, i.e. if a K(G,1) has a finite dimensional CW structure, then G is torsion free. Might be enough to know the cohomology of (infinite) lens space.
Another way at your argument is to invoke the theorem that the manifold ##M## together with the covering ##M^{*}→M## must be the universal classifying space for principle discrete ##π_1(M)## bundles. ##M## then has the cohomology of its fundamental group and since ##π_1(M)## is finite and non-trivial it has non-zero cohomology in unbounded dimensions. One can get away with a cyclic subgroup of prime order. For all of this I think you need ##M^{*}## to be weakly contractible which is a stronger result than is necessary to answer the question. This is the same as @zinq 's argument I think.

BTW: If one argues by contradiction that the manifold has no homotopy groups in dimension 1 through n then the manifold can not be closed for then Hurewicz's Theorem would say that the nth homotopy group of the universal covering manifold is isomorphic to ##Z##. You can also argue that the boundary can have only 1 connected component from the exact homology sequence of the pair. I tried taking this idea further but didn't succeed.

One thought was that a contractible compact manifold with boundary reminds one of Brouwer's fixed point theorem and one can ask when such manifolds can be made convex with respect to some geometry.
 
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  • #62
fresh_42 said:
Nice idea! The problem with Stirling is, that your equalities are only approximations. So in order for proof to count, you have to take the error margins into account. Especially the division needs watching, since a small error could theoretically turn into something large if you divide it. So you need to use expressions with upper and lower bounds.
Oh thank you for pointing that out! Yes for small ##n## we must take care of errors.
 
  • #63
fresh_42 said:
Nice idea! The problem with Stirling is, that your equalities are only approximations. So in order for proof to count, you have to take the error margins into account. Especially the division needs watching, since a small error could theoretically turn into something large if you divide it. So you need to use expressions with upper and lower bounds.
Okay, in this article the error bounds for ##n!## are given as
$$
\sqrt{2\pi n} \left( \frac{n}{e} \right)^n \leq n! \leq \sqrt{2\pi n} \left(\frac{n}{e}\right)^n e^{\frac{1}{12n}}$$
So, working with error bounds we have
$$
\frac{1}{
{2\pi n} \left( \frac{n}{e} \right)^{2n} ~e^{\frac{1}{6n}}} \leq \frac{1}{(n!)^2} \leq \cdots $$
$$2\sqrt{\pi n} ~4^n ~\left(\frac{n}{e}\right)^{2n} \leq (2n)! \leq \cdots $$

$$\frac{
4^n}
{\sqrt{\pi n} e^{\frac{1}{6n} }} \leq \frac{(2n)!}{(n!)^2} \leq \cdots$$
Now, it is left to show that ##\sqrt{\pi n} e^{\frac{1}{6n}} \lt n+1##. Which we can easily prove by noting that we have to compare

$$\pi ~n~e^{\frac{1}{3n}} ~and~n^2 +1 +2n$$

if ##n\gt 3~~ (n\in \mathbb N)## then we have

$$\pi e^{ \frac{1}{3n}} n \lt n^2 $$
$$\implies ~~\pi e^{ \frac{1}{3n}} n \lt n^2 +1 + 2n $$
For ##n=2 , 3## we can do trial and error.

Hopefully, we are done. Please point if there are some errors, or you have more elegant way for doing this.
 
  • #64
Adesh said:
Hopefully, we are done. Please point if there are some errors, or you have more elegant way for doing this.
No, that's ok. Maybe you should have mentioned that you can only do this, because the numbers are positive. And one doesn't say "trial and error" here. Better say: "we check for ..." but you could have simply said that it is true for ##n=2##: ##\pi \cdot 2 \cdot e^{\frac{1}{6}} \approx 7.423 < 8 < 9 = 2^2+1+2\cdot 2## and then observed that the RHS grows faster than the LHS.
 
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  • #65
In reference to post #51, does a CW complex which is homotopy equivalent to a compact manifold have to also be compact? I.e. does one know that a compact topological n manifold has a structure of finite CW complex? (The paper of Milnor I have seen referenced apparently proved only that there is a countable such CW complex.)
 
  • #66
@mathwonk It certainly doesn't have to be compact (e.g. ##\mathbb{R}## is a CW complex homotopy equivalent to a point) but I did find a reference that you can always find a homotopy equivalent finite CW complex to a compact manifold (boundary allowed): http://people.math.harvard.edu/~lurie/281notes/Lecture34-Part3.pdf I haven't tried to read it. There's also a sketch here: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1648250/spaces-homotopy-equivalent-to-finite-cw-complexes (again I haven't tried to read it)
 
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  • #67
Thanks for the link to the nice, if brief, notes. They do not actually prove the desired result, referring to a "non trivial" theorem of Chapman. I have no hope of getting through the works of chapman, but the (first) link you gave states a very nice result, apparently having the homotopy type of a finite CW complex is equivalent to having the homotopy type of a compact manifold (possibly with boundary)!

(I had also seen the second link but found it somewhat unclear.)
 
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  • #68
Please forgive my primitive typography. (In what follows, Int denotes the integral from 0 to 1.)

Let f : R —> R be continuous such that for all x, f(x+1) = x and f(x) > 0.

Let a = p/q be a rational number in lowest terms.

Then

Int ( (f(x + p/q) / f(x)) * (f(x + 2*p/q) / f(x + p/q)) * ... * (f(x + q*p/q) / f(x + (q-1)*p/q)) )^(1/q) dx

= Int 1 dx = 1

because by periodicity the integrand is the constant function = 1^(1/q) = 1 for all x.

Since any (arithmetic mean) ≥ (the corresponding geometric mean), we get

(1/q) * Int (f(x + p/q) / f(x)) + ... + (f(x + q*p/q) / f(x + (q-1)*p/q)) dx ≥ 1

But the integrals from 0 to 1 of all the summands are equal by periodicity. Hence

Int( f(x+p/q) / f(x) dx ≥ 1

But

G(a) = Int f(x+a)/f(x) dx

is a continuous function of a, and rationals are dense in R. Hence by taking a sequence of rationals p/q converging to an arbitrary a, we get that

G(a) ≥ 1

for all a.
 
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  • #69
3 has been solved by @zinq
another solution is by Jensen's inequality:
$$\ln\int_0^1\frac{f(x+a)}{f(x)}dx\ge\int_0^1\ln f(x+a)-\ln f(x) dx=0$$
 
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  • #70
I don't know if you're allowed to answer/give hints, but for problem 14, I had this thought:

We have two equations and two unknowns. This is a good start. Although, I don't see any way we can solve for ##x## in terms of ##y## (I've really tried), which makes it hard to make progress. Although I recognize that ##\sin^n{(x+\frac{\pi}{2})} = \cos^n{(x)}##. Does that mean for in order for there to be any solutions at all that $$\sin^n{(x+\frac{\pi}{2})} - \cos^n{(x)} = y^4+\left(x + \frac{\pi}{2} \right)y^2-4y^2+4 - x^4+x^2y^2-4x^2+1 = 0$$

I might be completely wrong in my reasoning, but I was just wondering.

Disclaimer: I've never done a "find all solutions x,y for a function" type problem.
 
  • #71
Mayhem said:
I don't know if you're allowed to answer/give hints, but for problem 14, I had this thought:

We have two equations and two unknowns. This is a good start. Although, I don't see any way we can solve for ##x## in terms of ##y## (I've really tried), which makes it hard to make progress. Although I recognize that ##\sin^n{(x+\frac{\pi}{2})} = \cos^n{(x)}##. Does that mean for in order for there to be any solutions at all that $$\sin^n{(x+\frac{\pi}{2})} - \cos^n{(x)} = y^4+\left(x + \frac{\pi}{2} \right)y^2-4y^2+4 - x^4+x^2y^2-4x^2+1 = 0$$

I might be completely wrong in my reasoning, but I was just wondering.

Disclaimer: I've never done a "find all solutions x,y for a function" type problem.
You cannot solve it directly. The trick is to get rid of what disturbs most. This is always a good plan. You can eliminate the trig functions to the cost that equality turns into an inequality.
 
  • #72
fresh_42 said:
You cannot solve it directly. The trick is to get rid of what disturbs most. This is always a good plan. You can eliminate the trig functions to the cost that equality turns into an inequality.

If you add them, using ##\sin^4{x} + \cos^4{x} \in [\frac{1}{2},1]##, you can get the inequality $$x^4 + y^4 + 2x^2 y^2 -4(x^2 + y^2) < -4$$ $$(x^2 + y^2)^2 -4(x^2 + y^2) + 4 < 0$$ $$([x^2 + y^2] -2)^2 < 0$$That would seem to imply that there are no possible values of ##x^2 + y^2## that satisfy the inequality, and that there are no solutions.
 
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  • #73
etotheipi said:
That would seem to imply that there are no possible values of ##x^2+y^2## that satisfy the inequality, and that there are no solutions...
... if you only had worked properly ...

Or to say it in chess speak: Sauber setzen!
Sorry, the rhythm doesn't work in English.
 
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  • #74
For the first problem in the high school section, I think one can use induction (Don't know if this has been done already)...noting that for n=1 the solution is trivial i.e. a1 + b1 = a + b, and assuming the statement is true for n = m,
##(a_1^2 + b_1^2)...(a_m^2 + b_m^2) = (a^2 + b^2) ## , we can prove
##(a_1^2 + b_1^2)...(a_m^2 + b_m^2)(a_{m+1}^2 + b_{m + 1}^2) = (a^2 + b^2)(a_{m+1}^2 + b_{m+1}^2 ) = (aa_{m+1} + bb_{m+1} )^2 + (ab_{m+1} - ba_{m+1})^2 ##
 
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  • #75
ItsukaKitto said:
For the first problem in the high school section, I think one can use induction (Don't know if this has been done already)...noting that for n=1 the solution is trivial i.e. a1 + b1 = a + b, and assuming the statement is true for n = m,
##(a_1^2 + b_1^2)...(a_m^2 + b_m^2) = (a^2 + b^2) ## , we can prove
##(a_1^2 + b_1^2)...(a_m^2 + b_m^2)(a_{m+1}^2 + b_{m + 1}^2) = (a^2 + b^2)(a_{m+1}^2 + b_{m+1}^2 ) = (aa_{m+1} + bb_{m+1} )^2 + (ab_{m+1} - ba_{m+1})^2 ##
Another possibility is to write ##a_k^2+b_k^2 =\det \left| \begin{pmatrix}a_k&-b_k\\b_k&a_k\end{pmatrix} \right|##, show that this form is conserved by matrix multiplication, and then use that the determinant respects matrix multiplication.
 
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  • #76
Can we prove problem 11 using vector algebra? Let ##a_k = \binom{a_k}{a_k}##, then we can rewrite the question as
$$\prod_{k = 1}^{n} \mathbf{a}_k\cdot\mathbf{b}_k = \mathbf{a}\cdot\mathbf{b}$$
We know that the scalar product returns a scalar. Which would mean that a product of ##n## scalar products would also return a scalar, namely ##\mathbf{a}\cdot\mathbf{b}##.

And since the scalar product for a 2-d vector is by definition ##a_1a_2+b_1b_2##, then for ##a_1 = a_2## and ##b_1 + b_2##, the resulting scalar of \mathbf{a}\cdot\mathbf{b} must be a sum of two integer squares given the initial conditions for ##\mathbf{a}_k##.

Maybe I'm using circular logic/assuming the conclusion. I'm quite new to proofs.
 
  • #77
I know one way to solve the trigonometric problem, only that it happens to be just etotheipi 's approach, but done...(I hope) correctly:
Adding the equations we see that we get an inequality in ## A = x^2 + y^2 ## , namely
##cos^4 (x) + sin^4(x) = A(A-4) + 5 <= 1 ##
But we see the greatest value of the expression in A is 1, so that we have equality when it is equal to 1, then we solve ##A^2 - 4A + 4 = 0## , getting ##A = 2##;
Now, we also see that ##cos^4(x) + sin^4(x) = 1##, which will occur when ##x = \pm π/2, 0 ##
So that the values of y can be found from the relation A = 2, to be ## y = \pm \sqrt{2}, \pm \sqrt{2 - π^2/4 } ##
 
  • #78
Mayhem said:
Can we prove problem 11 using vector algebra? Let ##a_k = \binom{a_k}{a_k}##, then we can rewrite the question as
$$\prod_{k = 1}^{n} \mathbf{a}_k\cdot\mathbf{b}_k = \mathbf{a}\cdot\mathbf{b}$$
We know that the scalar product returns a scalar. Which would mean that a product of ##n## scalar products would also return a scalar, namely ##\mathbf{a}\cdot\mathbf{b}##.

And since the scalar product for a 2-d vector is by definition ##a_1a_2+b_1b_2##, then for ##a_1 = a_2## and ##b_1 + b_2##, the resulting scalar of \mathbf{a}\cdot\mathbf{b} must be a sum of two integer squares given the initial conditions for ##\mathbf{a}_k##.

Maybe I'm using circular logic/assuming the conclusion. I'm quite new to proofs.
I guess you meant ##\mathbf{a}_k=\mathbf{b}_k=\begin{bmatrix}a_k\\b_k\end{bmatrix}## in which case we have
$$
(a_1^2+b_1^2)\cdot \ldots \cdot (a_n^2+b_n^2)= \prod_{k = 1}^{n} \mathbf{a}_k\cdot\mathbf{b}_k = \prod_{k = 1}^{n} \mathbf{a}_k\cdot\mathbf{a}_k = \prod_{k = 1}^{n} \|\mathbf{a}_k\|_2^2
$$
And at this point you have to insert the argument why the result is again of the requested form. Do you know this argument?
 
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  • #79
fresh_42 said:
I guess you meant ##\mathbf{a}_k=\mathbf{b}_k=\begin{bmatrix}a_k\\b_k\end{bmatrix}## in which case we have
$$
(a_1^2+b_1^2)\cdot \ldots \cdot (a_n^2+b_n^2)= \prod_{k = 1}^{n} \mathbf{a}_k\cdot\mathbf{b}_k = \prod_{k = 1}^{n} \mathbf{a}_k\cdot\mathbf{a}_k = \prod_{k = 1}^{n} \|\mathbf{a}_k\|_2^2
$$
And at this point you have to insert the argument why the result is again of the requested form. Do you know this argument?
Not on the top of my head, no. And yes, I messed up the definition of ##\mathbf{a}_k##. Thanks for noticing that.
 
  • #80
Mayhem said:
Not on the top of my head, no. And yes, I messed up the definition of ##\mathbf{a}_k##. Thanks for noticing that.
The scalar product of a vector with itself is the squared Euclidean norm of this vector, its length squared. Now which properties do norms have?
 
  • #81
ItsukaKitto said:
I know one way to solve the trigonometric problem, only that it happens to be just etotheipi 's approach, but done...(I hope) correctly:
Adding the equations we see that we get an inequality in ## A = x^2 + y^2 ## , namely
##cos^4 (x) + sin^4(x) = A(A-4) + 5 <= 1 ##
But we see the greatest value of the expression in A is 1, so that we have equality when it is equal to 1, then we solve ##A^2 - 4A + 4 = 0## , getting ##A = 2##;
Now, we also see that ##cos^4(x) + sin^4(x) = 1##, which will occur when ##x = \pm π/2, 0 ##
So that the values of y can be found from the relation A = 2, to be ## y = \pm \sqrt{2}, \pm \sqrt{2 - π^2/4 } ##
Have you checked which of all these numbers is actually a solution?
 
  • #82
fresh_42 said:
The scalar product of a vector with itself is the squared Euclidean norm of this vector, its length squared. Now which properties do norms have?
Ah, so ##||\mathbf{a}||## is norm? During high school, we used ##|\mathbf{a}|##, but I should have guessed that it was the same thing.

The norm of a vector ##|\mathbf{a}|##, that is to say its "length" is defined as

$$|\mathbf{a}|=\sqrt{a_1^2+a_2^2}$$

If we square both sides, we get ##|\mathbf{a}|^2 = a_1^2+b_2^2##. Generalize that for ##|\mathbf{a_k}|## and we get what we wanted. I see! Thank you.
 
  • #83
etotheipi said:
$$([x^2 + y^2] -2)^2 < 0$$
Sorry, this should be a non-strict inequality.
 
  • #84
Mayhem said:
Ah, so ##||\mathbf{a}||## is norm? During high school, we used ##|\mathbf{a}|##, but I should have guessed that it was the same thing.

The norm of a vector ##|\mathbf{a}|##, that is to say its "length" is defined as

$$|\mathbf{a}|=\sqrt{a_1^2+a_2^2}$$

If we square both sides, we get ##|\mathbf{a}|^2 = a_1^2+b_2^2##. Generalize that for ##|\mathbf{a_k}|## and we get what we wanted. I see! Thank you.
Yes, but you still need a property of the norm.
 
  • #85
fresh_42 said:
Yes, but you still need a property of the norm.
That it is a scalar?
 
  • #86
fresh_42 said:
Have you checked which of all these numbers is actually a solution?
Ah yes, they're only a list of permissible values, the actual solutions I think must be a subset of these...
##(0,\sqrt{2}) , (0, -\sqrt{2})## work but the other values don't seem to work.
 
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  • #87
Mayhem said:
That it is a scalar?
The problem we still have is whether the product of the squared norms is still of the form ##\|\mathbf{a}\|_2^2##. I don't see this. So maybe I was wrong and the norm doesn't work as easy as I thought. We will still need additional information. I guess the determinant idea is the closest one to that approach.
 
  • #88
fresh_42 said:
The problem we still have is whether the product of the squared norms is still of the form ##\|\mathbf{a}\|_2^2##. I don't see this. So maybe I was wrong and the norm doesn't work as easy as I thought. We will still need additional information. I guess the determinant idea is the closest one to that approach.
So in conclusion, setting it up as a product of scalar products probably isn't particularly useful. I really ought to brush up on my linear algebra. Unfortunately calculus is more fun.
 
  • #89
Mayhem said:
So in conclusion, setting it up as a product of scalar products probably isn't particularly useful. I really ought to brush up on my linear algebra. Unfortunately calculus is more fun.
13.) and 12.c.) from last month are calculus - basically.
 
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Given,
\begin{align*}
f(xy)&=f(x)f(y)-f(x)-f(y)+2 ...(1)\\
f(x+y)&=f(x)+f(y)+2xy-1 ...(2)\\
f(1)&=2 ...(3)
\end{align*}
Put ##y=0## in ##(2)##, gives ##f(0)=1##
Put ##y=1## in ##(2)##, gives
$$f(x+1)=f(x)+f(1)+2x-1$$
or,
\begin{align*}
f(x+1)-f(x)&=2x+1 ...(4)
\end{align*}
Hence,
\begin{align*}
[f(x+1)-f(x)]\\+[f(x)-f(x-1)]\\+...\\+[f(3)-f(2)]\\+[f(2)-f(1)]&=[2*x+1]+[2*(x-1)+1]+...+[2*2+1]+[2*1+1]\\
\Rightarrow f(x+1)-f(1)&=2*\frac {x(x+1)} {2}+x \\
\Rightarrow f(x+1)&=x^2+2x+2=(x+1)^2+1 ...(5)\\
\end{align*}
or,
\begin{align*}
f(x)&=x^2+1 ...(6)
\end{align*}
It is easy to check ##(6)## satisfies ##(1)## & ##(2)##.
 
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