Challenge Math Challenge - May 2021

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The Math Challenge - May 2021 discussion covers a variety of mathematical problems, including integration, group theory, and properties of sequences. Several users provided solutions to complex integrals and algebraic problems, demonstrating techniques in representation theory and polynomial properties. Key discussions included proving the equivalence of Pythagorean theorem with properties of isosceles triangles and exploring the behavior of sequences defined by recursive functions. The thread highlights the collaborative nature of problem-solving in advanced mathematics, with participants sharing insights and solutions. Overall, the discussion showcases a rich engagement with diverse mathematical concepts and challenges.
  • #61
fishturtle1 said:
Sorry for the dumb question but do the ##\circ##'s in 4) mean function composition or matrix multiplication? As I understand it, ##\tau(g)## and ##\rho(g^{-1})## are matrices in ##GL(W)## and ##GL(V)## resp. ?
What is the difference?
 
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  • #62
fresh_42 said:
What is the difference?
I think I get it now, I had to look up the definition of GL(V). So, ##\rho(g^{-1})## is an automorphism of ##V## and ##\tau(g)## is an automorphism of ##W## and ##\varphi## is a k linear map from ##V## to ##W##.
 
  • #63
fishturtle1 said:
I think I get it now, I had to look up the definition of GL(V). So, ##\rho(g^{-1})## is an automorphism of ##V## and ##\tau(g)## is an automorphism of ##W## and ##\varphi## is a k linear map from ##V## to ##W##.
Yes. As functions, it is the composition, which in coordinates is matrix multiplication.
 
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One other question, what is ##\text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W))##? I'm pretty sure ##\text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}(V, W)## is the set of all ##\mathbb{K}##-linear maps from ##V## to ##W##. And we can make ##V## into a ##\mathbb{K}G## module by defining ##g \cdot v = \rho(g)v## I think?? So is ##\text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, w))## the set of ##\mathbb{K}G## homomorphisms from ##V## to ##W##?
 
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fishturtle1 said:
One other question, what is ##\text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W))##? I'm pretty sure ##\text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}(V, W)## is the set of all ##\mathbb{K}##-linear maps from ##V## to ##W##. And we can make ##V## into a ##\mathbb{K}G## module by defining ##g \cdot v = \rho(g)v## I think?? So is ##\text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, w))## the set of ##\mathbb{K}G## homomorphisms from ##V## to ##W##?
I don't see why you need the group field, because linearity of homomorphism spaces is all that is used. ##\text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W))## means the homomorphisms of representations as defined. We have ##\rho: G \longrightarrow \operatorname{GL}(V)## and ##\tau : G \longrightarrow \operatorname{GL}(W)##. I do not see any functions from ##G## to ##\mathbb{K} .## The condition of the characteristic simply allows us to divide by ##|G|## in the symmetry operator.
 
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fresh_42 said:
I don't see why you need the group field, because linearity of homomorphism spaces is all that is used. ##\text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W))## means the homomorphisms of representations as defined. We have ##\rho: G \longrightarrow \operatorname{GL}(V)## and ##\tau : G \longrightarrow \operatorname{GL}(W)##. I do not see any functions from ##G## to ##\mathbb{K} .## The condition of the characteristic simply allows us to divide by ##|G|## in the symmetry operator.
that clears things up, thank you!
 
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\textbf{Claim 1.} ##\text{Sym}(\varphi)## is a linear map from ##V \to W##.

Proof:
First, we have ##\text{char} \mathbb{K} \not\vert \vert G \vert##. So, ##\vert G \vert \neq 0## and ##\frac{1}{\vert G \vert}## is defined. For each ##g \in G##, we have ##(\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})(v) \in W##. Since ##W## is a vector space, it is closed under addition and scalar multiplication. So, ##(\text{Sym}\varphi)(v) \in W##. Next, we check that ##\text{Sym}(\varphi)## is ##\mathbb{K}##-linear. Let ##u, v \in V## and ##\lambda \in \mathbb{K}##. We have

\begin{align*}
(\text{Sym}\varphi)(u + v) & = \left(\frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})\right) (u + v) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \left(\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}) (u + v)\right) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \left(\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ (\rho(g^{-1})(u) + \rho(g^{-1})(v))\right) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \left(\tau(g) \circ (\varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})(u) + \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})(v))\right) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} (\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})(u)) + (\tau(g) \circ + \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})(v)) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G}\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})(u) + \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G}\tau(g) \circ + \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})(v) \\
&= (\text{Sym}\varphi)(u) + (\text{Sym}\varphi)(v)\\
\end{align*}

Also,

\begin{align*}
(\text{Sym}\varphi)(\lambda v) &= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} (\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}))(\lambda v) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \lambda \left(\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})(v)\right) \\
&= \lambda \left(\frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} (\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}))(v)\right) \\
&= \lambda (\text{Sym}\varphi)(v) \\
\end{align*}

This shows ##\text{Sym}\varphi## is ##\mathbb{K}##-linear.
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\textbf{Claim 2.} The map ##\text{Sym}## is a ##\mathbb{K}##-linear mapping.

Proof:
Let ##\varphi, \sigma \in \text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}(V, W)## and ##\lambda \in \mathbb{K}##. For any ##g \in G##, we have

\begin{align*}
\text{Sym}(\varphi + \sigma) &= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert}\sum_{g \in G}\tau(g) \circ (\varphi + \sigma) \circ \rho(g^{-1}) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert}\sum_{g \in G}\tau(g) \circ ((\varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}) + (\sigma \circ \rho(g^{-1}))) \\
&=\frac{1}{\vert G \vert}\sum_{g \in G} (\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})) + (\tau(g) \circ \sigma \circ \rho(g^{-1})) \\
&=\frac{1}{\vert G \vert}\sum_{g \in G} (\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})) + \frac{1}{\vert G \vert}\sum_{g \in G} (\tau(g) \circ \sigma \circ \rho(g^{-1})) \\
&= \text{Sym}(\varphi) + \text{Sym}(\sigma)
\end{align*}Also,

\begin{align*}
\text{Sym}(\lambda\varphi) &= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert}\sum_{g \in G} \tau(g) \circ (\lambda\varphi) \circ \rho(g^{-1}) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert}\sum_{g \in G} k(\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})) \\
&= k\frac{1}{\vert G \vert}\sum_{g \in G} \tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}) \\
&= k \text{Sym}(\varphi) \\
\end{align*}

We may conclude ##\text{Sym}## is ##\mathbb{K}##-linear.
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\textbf{Claim 3.} ##\text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W)) = \lbrace \theta : V \longrightarrow W \vert \forall_{g \in G} \tau(g) \circ \theta \circ \rho(g^{-1}) = \theta\rbrace##

Proof:
##(\subseteq)##: Let ##\theta \in \text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W))##. By definition, we have ##\theta \circ \rho(g) = \tau(g) \circ \theta## for all ##g \in G##. In particular, ##\tau(g) \circ \theta \circ \rho(g^{-1}) = \theta \circ \rho(g) \circ \rho(g^{-1}) = \theta##.
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##(\supseteq)##: Suppose for all ##g \in G##, ##\tau(g) \circ \theta \circ \rho(g^{-1}) = \theta##. Multiplying both sides by ##\rho(g)##, we have ##\tau(g) \circ \theta = \theta \circ \rho(g)##. This shows ##\supseteq##.
[]\textbf{Claim 4.} ##\text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W))## is a subspace of ##\text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}(V, W)##.

Proof:
Consider the map that sends every element in ##V## to ##0##. This map is contained in ##\text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W))##. So, ##\emptyset \neq \text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W)) \subset \text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}(V,W)##. Let ##\varphi, \sigma \in \text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W)), \lambda \in \mathbb{K}## and ##g \in G##.
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We have $$(\varphi + \sigma)\circ \rho(g) = (\varphi \circ \rho(g)) + (\sigma\circ \rho(g)) = (\tau(g) \circ \varphi) + (\tau(g) \circ \sigma) = \tau(g)(\varphi + \sigma)$$
So, ##\varphi + \sigma \in \text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W))##. Also,
$$((\lambda \varphi) \circ \rho(g)) = \lambda(\varphi \circ \rho(g)) = \lambda (\tau(g) \circ \varphi) = (\lambda\tau(g)) \circ \varphi = \tau(g) \circ (\lambda \varphi)$$

So, ##\lambda \varphi \in \text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W))##. We can conclude ##\text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W))## is a subspace of ##\text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}(V, W)##.

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\textbf{Claim 5.} ##\text{Sym}## is a projection onto ##\text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W))##.

Proof:
Let ##\varphi \in \text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W))##. Then ##\text{Sym}(\varphi) = \varphi##. In particular, ##\text{Sym}(\text{Sym}(\varphi)) = \text{Sym}(\varphi)##. It follows that ##\text{Sym}^2 = \text{Sym}## on ##\text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W))##. This proves Claim 5.
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  • #68
fishturtle1 said:
problem 4
\textbf{Claim 1.} ##\text{Sym}(\varphi)## is a linear map from ##V \to W##.
(1) ##\operatorname{Im(Sym)} \subseteq \operatorname{Hom}(V,W).## You haven't pointed out that well-definition is one of the 5 claims, as has been already mentioned by @Infrared. But since you mentioned it implicitly in your proof, I take the following for well-definition, too. (2)
fishturtle1 said:
Proof:
First, we have ##\text{char} \mathbb{K} \not\vert \vert G \vert##. So, ##\vert G \vert \neq 0## and ##\frac{1}{\vert G \vert}## is defined. For each ##g \in G##, we have ##(\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})(v) \in W##. Since ##W## is a vector space, it is closed under addition and scalar multiplication. So, ##(\text{Sym}\varphi)(v) \in W##. Next, we check that ##\text{Sym}(\varphi)## is ##\mathbb{K}##-linear. Let ##u, v \in V## and ##\lambda \in \mathbb{K}##. We have

\begin{align*}
(\text{Sym}\varphi)(u + v) & = \left(\frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})\right) (u + v) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \left(\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}) (u + v)\right) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \left(\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ (\rho(g^{-1})(u) + \rho(g^{-1})(v))\right) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \left(\tau(g) \circ (\varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})(u) + \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})(v))\right) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} (\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})(u)) + (\tau(g) \circ + \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})(v)) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G}\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})(u) + \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G}\tau(g) \circ + \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})(v) \\
&= (\text{Sym}\varphi)(u) + (\text{Sym}\varphi)(v)\\
\end{align*}

Also,

\begin{align*}
(\text{Sym}\varphi)(\lambda v) &= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} (\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}))(\lambda v) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \lambda \left(\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})(v)\right) \\
&= \lambda \left(\frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} (\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}))(v)\right) \\
&= \lambda (\text{Sym}\varphi)(v) \\
\end{align*}

This shows ##\text{Sym}\varphi## is ##\mathbb{K}##-linear.
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\textbf{Claim 2.} The map ##\text{Sym}## is a ##\mathbb{K}##-linear mapping.
Linearity. (3) This is basically clear from the definition.
fishturtle1 said:
Proof:
Let ##\varphi, \sigma \in \text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}(V, W)## and ##\lambda \in \mathbb{K}##. For any ##g \in G##, we have

\begin{align*}
\text{Sym}(\varphi + \sigma) &= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert}\sum_{g \in G}\tau(g) \circ (\varphi + \sigma) \circ \rho(g^{-1}) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert}\sum_{g \in G}\tau(g) \circ ((\varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}) + (\sigma \circ \rho(g^{-1}))) \\
&=\frac{1}{\vert G \vert}\sum_{g \in G} (\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})) + (\tau(g) \circ \sigma \circ \rho(g^{-1})) \\
&=\frac{1}{\vert G \vert}\sum_{g \in G} (\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})) + \frac{1}{\vert G \vert}\sum_{g \in G} (\tau(g) \circ \sigma \circ \rho(g^{-1})) \\
&= \text{Sym}(\varphi) + \text{Sym}(\sigma)
\end{align*}

Also,

\begin{align*}
\text{Sym}(\lambda\varphi) &= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert}\sum_{g \in G} \tau(g) \circ (\lambda\varphi) \circ \rho(g^{-1}) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert}\sum_{g \in G} k(\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})) \\
&= k\frac{1}{\vert G \vert}\sum_{g \in G} \tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}) \\
&= k \text{Sym}(\varphi) \\
\end{align*}

We may conclude ##\text{Sym}## is ##\mathbb{K}##-linear.
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\textbf{Claim 3.} ##\text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W)) = \lbrace \theta : V \longrightarrow W \vert \forall_{g \in G} \tau(g) \circ \theta \circ \rho(g^{-1}) = \theta\rbrace##
This is no claim. It is the definition of a homomorphism of representations. You have to prove that it holds for the symmetry operator as we defined it, i.e. that all ##\operatorname{Sym}(\varphi )## "commute" with the representations. It is actually one of two points where an argument is necessary. (The projection is the other one.)
fishturtle1 said:
Proof:
##(\subseteq)##: Let ##\theta \in \text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W))##. By definition, we have ##\theta \circ \rho(g) = \tau(g) \circ \theta## for all ##g \in G##. In particular, ##\tau(g) \circ \theta \circ \rho(g^{-1}) = \theta \circ \rho(g) \circ \rho(g^{-1}) = \theta##.
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##(\supseteq)##: Suppose for all ##g \in G##, ##\tau(g) \circ \theta \circ \rho(g^{-1}) = \theta##. Multiplying both sides by ##\rho(g)##, we have ##\tau(g) \circ \theta = \theta \circ \rho(g)##. This shows ##\supseteq##.
[]\textbf{Claim 4.} ##\text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W))## is a subspace of ##\text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}(V, W)##.
I actually did not count this as a claim, since the linear spaces are already included by definition. We have some homomorphisms with an additional condition
$$
\{\vartheta :V\longrightarrow W\,|\,\forall_{g\in G}\, : \,\tau(g)\circ\vartheta\circ \rho(g^{-1})=\vartheta \}
$$
and all homomorphisms ##\operatorname{Hom}(V,W)## on the other hand. That it is a subspace follows from the linearity in the condition, which is already contained in your claim (2) if you drop the sums.
fishturtle1 said:
Proof:
Consider the map that sends every element in ##V## to ##0##. This map is contained in ##\text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W))##. So, ##\emptyset \neq \text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W)) \subset \text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}(V,W)##. Let ##\varphi, \sigma \in \text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W)), \lambda \in \mathbb{K}## and ##g \in G##.
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We have $$(\varphi + \sigma)\circ \rho(g) = (\varphi \circ \rho(g)) + (\sigma\circ \rho(g)) = (\tau(g) \circ \varphi) + (\tau(g) \circ \sigma) = \tau(g)(\varphi + \sigma)$$
So, ##\varphi + \sigma \in \text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W))##. Also,
$$((\lambda \varphi) \circ \rho(g)) = \lambda(\varphi \circ \rho(g)) = \lambda (\tau(g) \circ \varphi) = (\lambda\tau(g)) \circ \varphi = \tau(g) \circ (\lambda \varphi)$$

So, ##\lambda \varphi \in \text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W))##. We can conclude ##\text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W))## is a subspace of ##\text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}(V, W)##.

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\textbf{Claim 5.} ##\text{Sym}## is a projection onto ##\text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W))##.

Proof:
Let ##\varphi \in \text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W))##. Then ##\text{Sym}(\varphi) = \varphi##. In particular, ##\text{Sym}(\text{Sym}(\varphi)) = \text{Sym}(\varphi)##. It follows that ##\text{Sym}^2 = \text{Sym}## on ##\text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}}((\rho, V), (\tau, W))##. This proves Claim 5.
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This is wrong. ##\operatorname{Sym}(\varphi ) \stackrel{i.g.}{\neq } \varphi .## You have to calculate that ##\operatorname{Sym}^2(\varphi )=\operatorname{Sym}(\varphi )##.

You missed both crucial points which actually require some "proof":
  • ##\tau(h)\circ\operatorname{Sym}(\varphi)=\operatorname{Sym}(\varphi)\circ \rho(h) ##
  • ##\operatorname{Sym}^2(\varphi )=\operatorname{Sym}(\varphi )##
 
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Correction to the last point: I overlooked that you have chosen ##\varphi \in \operatorname{Hom}_\mathbb{K}((\rho,V),(\tau,W))##. So ##\operatorname{Sym}(\varphi )=\varphi ## indeed, but why?
 
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fresh_42 said:
Correction to the last point: I overlooked that you have chosen ##\varphi \in \operatorname{Hom}_\mathbb{K}((\rho,V),(\tau,W))##. So ##\operatorname{Sym}(\varphi )=\varphi ## indeed, but why?
I think the calculation is

\begin{align*}
\text{Sym}(\varphi) &= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \varphi \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \cdot \vert G \vert \varphi \\
&= \varphi \\
\end{align*}

Edit: Also, thank you for the feedback and corrections.
 
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fishturtle1 said:
I think the calculation is

\begin{align*}
\text{Sym}(\varphi) &= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \varphi \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \cdot \vert G \vert \varphi \\
&= \varphi \\
\end{align*}

Edit: Also, thank you for the feedback and corrections.
Now for the last one: why does ##\operatorname{Sym}(\varphi )## commute with representation matrices?
 
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For ##\varphi \in \text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}} ((\rho, V), (\tau, W))##, we have ##\tau(h) \text{Sym}(\varphi) = \text{Sym}(\varphi) \rho(h)##

Proof: We have

\begin{align*}
\tau(h) \circ \text{Sym}(\varphi) &= \tau(h) \circ \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \tau(h) \circ (\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \tau(h) \circ \varphi \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \varphi \circ \rho(h) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} (\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})) \circ \rho(h) \\
&= \left(\frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} (\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}))\right) \circ \rho(h) \\
&= \text{Sym}\varphi \circ \rho(h) \\
\end{align*}
 
  • #73
fishturtle1 said:
For ##\varphi \in \text{Hom}_{\mathbb{K}} ((\rho, V), (\tau, W))##, we have ##\tau(h) \text{Sym}(\varphi) = \text{Sym}(\varphi) \rho(h)##

Proof: We have

\begin{align*}
\tau(h) \circ \text{Sym}(\varphi) &= \tau(h) \circ \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \tau(h) \circ (\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \tau(h) \circ \varphi \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \varphi \circ \rho(h) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} (\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1})) \circ \rho(h) \\
&= \left(\frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} (\tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}))\right) \circ \rho(h) \\
&= \text{Sym}\varphi \circ \rho(h) \\
\end{align*}
Yes, but ##\operatorname{Sym}\, : \,\operatorname{Hom}(V,W)\longrightarrow \operatorname{Hom}(V,W)## and we want to show that actually ##\operatorname{Sym}\, : \,\operatorname{Hom}(V,W)\longrightarrow \operatorname{Hom}((\rho,V),(\tau,W))##. That is, we have an arbitrary homomorphism ##\varphi \, : \,V\longrightarrow W##, and only its image satisfies the additional condition, which we want to show.

##\operatorname{Sym}## is a projection, i.e. maps something from bigger to smaller.

Hint: We haven't used that ##\rho## and ##\tau## are representations, yet.
 
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Proof: We have

\begin{align*}
\tau(h) \circ \text{Sym}(\varphi) &= \tau(h)\circ \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \tau(h) \circ \tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{h^{-1}g \in G} \tau(h) \circ \tau(h^{-1}g) \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}h) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{h^{-1}g \in G} \tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}) \circ \rho(h) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}) \circ \rho(h) \\
&= \text{Sym}(\varphi) \circ \rho(h) \\
\end{align*}

In the above calculations, we used that ##\rho## and ##\tau## are homomorphisms.
 
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Proof: We have

\begin{align*}
\tau(h) \circ \text{Sym}(\varphi) &= \tau(h)\circ \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \tau(h) \circ \tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{h^{-1}g \in G} \tau(h) \circ \tau(h^{-1}g) \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}h) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{h^{-1}g \in G} \tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}) \circ \rho(h) \\
&= \frac{1}{\vert G \vert} \sum_{g \in G} \tau(g) \circ \varphi \circ \rho(g^{-1}) \circ \rho(h) \\
&= \text{Sym}(\varphi) \circ \rho(h) \\
\end{align*}

In the above calculations, we used that ##\rho## and ##\tau## are homomorphisms.
... and the fact that left multiplication in a group is a bijection ##L_{h^{-1}}\, : \,g \longmapsto h^{-1}g##.

Just saying, because the difficulty of the problem was mainly to identify all those seemingly clear facts. It is sometimes more difficult to see what has to be shown than it is to show it.
 
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Problem 11
$$\begin{align}

f(a,b)&=\dfrac{a^4}{b^4}+\dfrac{b^4}{a^4}-\dfrac{a^2}{b^2}-\dfrac{b^2}{a^2}+\dfrac{a}{b}+\dfrac{b}{a}\nonumber\\

f(a,b)&=\left(\left(\dfrac{a}{b}+\dfrac{b}{a}\right)^2-2\right)^2-2-\left(\left(\dfrac{a}{b}+\dfrac{b}{a}\right)^2-2\right)+\dfrac{a}{b}+\dfrac{b}{a}\nonumber\\
\end{align}$$
replace ##\frac a b+\frac b a## with ##t##
we get,
$$\begin{align}
f(t)&=(t^2-2)^2-2-t^2+2+t\nonumber\\

f(t)&=t^4-5t^2+t+4\nonumber
\end{align}$$
and as we know that, ##a,b\in \mathbb{R}## and ##a,b>0##
So, using ##A.M\geq G.M## we get,
$$\begin{align}
\frac{\dfrac{a}{b}+\dfrac{b}{a}} {2}\geq&\sqrt{\dfrac{a}{b}\cdot\dfrac{b}{a}}\nonumber\\
\dfrac{a}{b}+\dfrac{b}{a}\geq&2\nonumber\\
t\geq2\nonumber
\end{align}$$
Also, ##f(t)## is always increasing for ##t\geq2## because ##f'(t)\gt0## for ##t\geq2##

Thus, the minimum value of ##f(t)=2##, when ##t=2## or ##a=b\space \forall\space a,b\gt0 \in \mathbb{R}##
 
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kshitij said:
Problem 11
$$f(a,b)=\dfrac{a^4}{b^4}+\dfrac{b^4}{a^4}-\dfrac{a^2}{b^2}-\dfrac{b^2}{a^2}+\dfrac{a}{b}+\dfrac{b}{a}$$
replace ##\frac a b+\frac b a## with ##t##
we get,
$$f(t)=t^4-5t^2+t+4$$
and as we know that, ##a,b\in \mathbb{R}## and ##a,b>0##
So, using ##A.M\geq G.M## we get, $$t\geq2$$
Also, ##f(t)## is always increasing for ##t\geq2## because ##f'(t)\gt0## for ##t\geq2##

Thus, the minimum value of ##f(t)=2##, when ##t=2## or ##a=b\space \forall\space a,b\gt0 \in \mathbb{R}##
Can you show your calculations?
 
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fresh_42 said:
Can you show your calculations?
For what?
How did I get ##f(t)##?
 
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kshitij said:
For what?
How did I get ##f(t)##?
$$\begin{align}
f(a,b)&=\dfrac{a^4}{b^4}+\dfrac{b^4}{a^4}-\dfrac{a^2}{b^2}-\dfrac{b^2}{a^2}+\dfrac{a}{b}+\dfrac{b}{a}\nonumber\\
f(a,b)&=\left(\left(\dfrac{a}{b}+\dfrac{b}{a}\right)^2-2\right)^2-2-\left(\left(\dfrac{a}{b}+\dfrac{b}{a}\right)^2-2\right)+\dfrac{a}{b}+\dfrac{b}{a}\nonumber\\
f(t)&=(t^2-2)^2-2-t^2+2+t\nonumber\\
f(t)&=t^4-5t^2+t+4\nonumber
\end{align}$$
 
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kshitij said:
For what?
How did I get ##f(t)##?
Yes. How did you get the polynomial, and how did you get ##t\geq 2## from AM > GM.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Yes. How did you get the polynomial, and how did you get ##t\geq 2## from AM > GM.
I edited that in my response, sorry I didn't include them initially, it takes a lot of effort for me to type this as I'm still new to this.
 
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fresh_42 said:
Yes. How did you get the polynomial, and how did you get ##t\geq 2## from AM > GM.
Also you didn't check my response for Problem 12, have I got that right?
kshitij said:
Problem #12
$$y^2=x\cdot (x+1)\cdot (x+7)\cdot (x+8)$$
substitute ##x+4 \rightarrow t##
then the equation becomes,
$$\begin{align}
y^2&=(t-4)\cdot(t-3)\cdot(t+3)\cdot(t+4)\nonumber\\
y^2&=(t^2-16)\cdot(t^2-9)\nonumber
\end{align}$$
so, for the R.H.S to be a perfect square,
the only possibilities are ##t=3,4,5##

as for product of two numbers (say ##a,b##) to be a perfect square, the only possibilities are,
if ##a=b,a=0,b=0\space or\space a=l^2,b=m^2## (where l,m are any real numbers)

if we use ##t^2-16=t^2-9##, then we won't get any solutions, so we'll have to use
##t^2-16=l^2\space \text{&} \space t^2-9=m^2##
from this we get,
##t^2=16+l^2=m^2+9##
clearly [edit] ##t=5,-5## are [edit] the only possibility as 3,4,5 are pythagorean triplets.

Also we can have either ##t^2-9=0## or ##t^2-16=0##
from this we get [edit] ##t=3,4,-3,-4## [edit]

So putting the obtained values back in ##t=x+4## we get [edit] ##x=-9,-8,-7,-1,0,1## [edit]

So ordered pairs ##(x,y)## are [edit] ##(-9,-12);(-9,12);(-8,0);(-7,0);(-1,0);(0,0);(1,12);(1,-12)## [edit]

*Edited the answer to include all values of (x,y)
Yet another edit: I forgot the ##t=-5## cases here.

Edit (iii): I wrote 144 instead of 12 for some reasons.
 
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kshitij said:
I edited that in my response, sorry I didn't include them initially, it takes a lot of effort for me to type this as I'm still new to this.
In case you will have to write LaTeX more often, here or IRL, it is convenient to download a little script program (I use AutoHotKey), write the script, and run it. It makes LaTeX typing really easy.

Just leave out the keys you need for other purposes like Ctrl+C/V/X/A or Alt+D. But the program allows you to suspend it with a single click in case you need the regular shortcuts.

E.g. if I want to write
\begin{align*}

\end{align*}

I only hit Alt+I which in the script is:
!i::
Send, \begin{{}align*{}}{Enter}{Enter}\end{{}align*{}}{Up}
Return

It may take a while to define shortcuts that you're comfortable with, but if you wrote
\left. \dfrac{\partial }{\partial }\right|_{} for the tenth time, you will appreciate a new shortcut.
 
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fresh_42 said:
In case you will have to write LaTeX more often, here or IRL, it is convenient to download a little script program (I use AutoHotKey), write the script, and run it. It makes LaTeX typing really easy.

Just leave out the keys you need for other purposes like Ctrl+C/V/X/A or Alt+D. But the program allows you to suspend it with a single click in case you need the regular shortcuts.

E.g. if I want to write
\begin{align*}

\end{align*}

I only hit Alt+I which in the script is:
!i::
Send, \begin{{}align*{}}{Enter}{Enter}\end{{}align*{}}{Up}
Return

It may take a while to define shortcuts that you're comfortable with, but if you wrote
\left. \dfrac{\partial }{\partial }\right|_{} for the tenth time, you will appreciate a new shortcut.
Thank you so much for this, I was wondering how you all type all these so fast. I thought maybe it was just a practice thing.
 
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kshitij said:
Also you didn't check my response for Problem 12, have I got that right?

Yet another edit: I forgot the ##t=-5## cases here.

Edit (iii): I wrote 144 instead of 12 for some reasons.
Sorry, that slipped through somehow.

Besides the square instead of the number, you also didn't find all solutions. The ones you have are correct though (with 12 for 144).
 
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kshitij said:
Thank you so much for this, I was wondering how you all type all these so fast. I thought maybe it was just a practice thing.
I also have the problems and their solutions in a TeX file, so I can just copy and paste it. The time-consuming typing is so invisible. I do this in case someone solves an old problem from previous challenges and I don't remember the solution and in order to provide a solution manual if people want to practice and compare their solutions with mine.
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/solution-manuals-for-the-math-challenges.977057/
 
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fresh_42 said:
you also didn't find all solutions
I'll think about them then.
 
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kshitij said:
I'll think about them then.
One more case that I found is with ##t=0##, i.e., ##x=-4## & ##y=\pm12##
 
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kshitij said:
One more case that I found is with ##t=0##, i.e., ##x=-4## & ##y=\pm12##
These are two. So you have 8/10 now.
 
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fresh_42 said:
These are two. So you have 8/10 now.
I'll keep thinking then
 

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