Math used in this equation rearrangement?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the mass of water required to raise a car's temperature from -25°C to 0°C, with the water initially at 10°C. The equation presented involves the latent heat of fusion, which is relevant because the water transitions from liquid to solid as it interacts with the cold car. There is confusion regarding the algebraic manipulation of the equation, particularly in how the latent heat term is incorporated and the correct arrangement of terms. The final rearranged equation for the mass of water is clarified, emphasizing the importance of proper grouping of terms in the denominator. Overall, the participants aim to resolve the algebraic steps and ensure the consistency of units throughout the calculations.
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I'm trying to determine how much water it takes to raise a car's temperature from -25°C to 0°C. The water is at 10°C.

What I apparently need to have set up is:

-ΔUint,water = ΔUint,car

-(mwcwΔTw) - mwLf,w = mcccΔTc

The resultant rearranged equation looking for mass of water gives this:

mw = -(mcccΔTc)/cwΔTw - mwLf,w

I don't understand how this was done. Also, why are you subtracting Latent heat of fusion x Mass from mwcwΔTw?
 
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Looks like there's a mistake in the algebra, then. What do you think that eqn should be?

Q for you: why does latent heat of fusion enter into the picture at all?
 
MarchON said:
The resultant rearranged equation looking for mass of water gives this:

mw = -(mcccΔTc)/cwΔTw - mwLf,w

Says who?

(Hint: are the units consistent?)
 
Latent heat of fusion is in the picture because the water is going from a liquid to a solid. It freezes when it hits the car, then at a certain point it doesn't because the car warms up to 0 degrees. And I don't know what's up with the equation, but that's what my professor's solution says. Based on my math, I got something that makes no sense:

0= mcarccarΔTcar/CwΔTw + Lf
 
The left side should be mw. You need a pair of brackets on the right side, and then it should look right.
 
I don't understand how. Is there any way (and I know this is no easy task) to break down the algebra step by step for me?
Also, I made a mistake with the resultant equation in my first post. It's actually mw = -(mcccΔTc)/cwΔTw - Lf,w (no - mwLf,w)

I realize that ends up being the same thing that you said and there is no error (but he kept the negatives in, whereas we canceled them out), but I still don't understand how.
 
You started with this: -mwcwΔTw - mwLf,w = mcccΔTc
Taking out a common factor -mw we have
-mw(cwΔTw +Lf,w)= mcccΔTc

Now divide both sides by (cwΔTw +Lf,w)
and we are left with
-mw = mcccΔTc / (cwΔTw +Lf,w)

Multiplying both sides by -1 so that we end up with mw by itself,
mw = -mcccΔTc / (cwΔTw +Lf,w)

The brackets I said you needed are those in the denominator; the ones you added in the numerator make no difference.
 
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