MATHEMATICA[solve numerical integration and find min value]

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The discussion revolves around finding the minimum value of a numerical integration problem using Mathematica. Participants explore methods to solve an equation involving integration and optimization, specifically focusing on determining a variable that minimizes the sum of an integral expression.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in using numerical integration to find a minimum value for a specific equation, providing initial parameters.
  • Another participant requests the equation to be presented in a standard format for clarity.
  • A participant attempts to simplify the problem by expanding the sum and provides a visual representation of the function's behavior.
  • There is mention of difficulties encountered when trying to solve the derivative of the function to find critical points, leading to a non-algebraic solution issue.
  • One participant suggests plotting the function to visually identify the minimum and shares numerical evaluations around a specific range, proposing a potential minimum value based on iterative calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the method to find the minimum value, and multiple approaches are discussed without resolution. Uncertainty remains regarding the correctness of the proposed minimum value.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the complexity of the integral and the challenges in deriving a solution algebraically. The discussion reflects various attempts to navigate these mathematical hurdles without establishing a definitive method or outcome.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in numerical integration techniques, optimization problems, and the use of Mathematica for complex mathematical modeling.

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i want to find the minimum sum of this equation and find the t like using solver in Excel,but since the integration cannot be integrate directly,i didnt know how to use the numerical integration to apply for this problem.
i want to find the value :let say when n=2, t_0=0 and t_n=1, so i need to find t_1 that will make the equation become minimum value.I hope that anyone can help me.

Sum[Integrate[4.9*^6*E^(-0.03*t + 0.03*(t + Subscript[t, j]))*
((1 - 0.015*(6 + t))/E^(0.015*Subscript[t, j]) +
(-0.91 + 0.015*Subscript[t, j])/E^(0.015*t))^2,
{t, Subscript[t, -1 + j], Subscript[t, j]}], {j, 1, n}]
 
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write the equation you want to solve in normal way (like what written in your book) so i can help
 
i had attached the equation.how can we use numerical integration in mathematica to solve the problem?or any other method can be used?
 

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Let us try to solve it step by step
first I'll open the sum and get the following equation
http://www.3mints.info/upload/uploads/bbb65e0e17.jpg
and x is t1

press enter and get this answer
http://www.3mints.info/upload/uploads/f53bc6e9d8.jpg

now to find minimum you can take derivative and make it equal zero but i faced problem when trying solve function to zero i got the following massege

olve::tdep: The equations appear to involve the variables to be \
solved for in an essentially non-algebraic way

so i have to find another way . I plot the function to see the shape
http://www.3mints.info/upload/uploads/65a285154e.jpg

as you notice the minimum value of x is around 0.5 corresponding to arround 1 as a value for cos t.
I evaluated the function x at numbers between 0.4 to 0.6 with 0.00002 step and found that cos t = 0.894953
see figure
http://www.3mints.info/upload/uploads/116575a4af.jpg

and by iteration you can find value of x

x = 0.51219

please this is not for sure the right answer but it could give an idea
 

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