Max efficiency (thermodynamics)

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The discussion centers on the efficiency of heat engines, specifically analyzing the p-v diagram and the efficiency formula η = 1 - (Q_c / Q_h). It highlights that during the heat extraction phase between points 3 and 4, efficiency losses occur due to the heat transfer to the cold container. Theoretically, if the engine does not cool down during this phase, efficiency could approach 100%, assuming no friction. The conversation also touches on the challenges of achieving isobaric processes in practical applications.

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I'm observing the circular process of a heat engine. It's p-v diagram is

heaengcyc.gif


So between points 3 and 4 the heat is extracted. That causes losses since the efficiency if given by
[tex]\eta =1- \frac {Q_c} {Q_h}[/tex]

Where Qh is the heat the heat source has given and Q_c the amount of heat that the "cold" container took.
If we don't cool down the engine in during the process between 3 and 4, the efficiency would grow to 100% (if friction is not consigered).
The process would then look like the picture below, and 3 and 1 we would do an isobaric contraction.

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I've encountered isobaric processes through my studies, but only as a theoretical concept. What are the reasons why it couldn't be used here?
 

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How can you do compress the working fluid without changing its pressure or temperature?
 
I don't know, how do you get an isobaric process ever? :)
 

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