Max speed and tension of bungee jump?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving a bungee jump scenario, where a participant seeks to determine the required unstretched length of a bungee cord, the maximum tension in the cord, and the maximum speed of a jumper. The context includes the application of conservation of energy principles and elastic potential energy calculations.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • The participant presents a scenario with a jumper weighing 150 lb and a bungee cord with a stiffness of k = 500 lb/ft, seeking to find the unstretched length of the cord.
  • Conservation of energy is proposed as a method to relate gravitational potential energy and elastic potential energy to find the length of the cord.
  • The participant expresses uncertainty about calculating the maximum speed, suggesting that it occurs at a point of minimum total potential energy.
  • Another participant suggests that the kinetic energy at maximum velocity can be derived from the gravitational potential energy converted into elastic potential energy, indicating a relationship between these energies.
  • The original poster mentions confusion regarding the variables used in their equations and seeks clarification on the correct approach to find maximum speed and tension.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion does not reach a consensus, as the original poster expresses uncertainty about their calculations and the approach to finding maximum speed and tension, while another participant provides guidance without resolving the original poster's confusion.

Contextual Notes

The original poster's calculations involve assumptions about energy transformations and the definitions of variables, which may not be fully resolved. The discussion reflects ongoing exploration of the problem without definitive conclusions.

Arin
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Just signed up, hi everyone!

1. Homework Statement

A man weighs 150 lb, and attaches a bungee cord having a stiffness of k = 500 lb/ft, to his feet.
If he jumps from rest off the side of a bridge, determine the required unstretched length of the
cord so that he can just touch the surface of the water 120 ft below when he reaches the end of
his fall. Also, compute the maximum tension in the cord and his maximum speed. Neglect his
size in the calculation.

Given:
Weight=mg=150 lbs
k=500 lb/ft
Bridge height = 120 ft

Find:
Length of cord
Max tension of cord
Max speed

Homework Equations


Conservation of energy:
T1+V1=T2+V2
Elastic potential energy = 0.5*k*x2, in this case = 250*x^2

The Attempt at a Solution


To find length of unstretched cord,
Conservation of energy:
T1+V1=T2+V2
0 + (150*120) = 0 + 250*x^2
x=sqrt(72)
Length of cord (L)
120=L+sqrt(72)
L=111.515 ft

From reading this thread - https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/the-physics-behind-bungee-jumping.16539/ - Looking at Chen's post on first page...

I have attempted to solve for max speed by thinking that max speed is attained at the point where he has a minimum in total potential energy
Σpotential energy = Egrav+Eelastic = mgh+250*x^2

This is the part where I'm lost,
I tried setting up:
Σpotential energy = 150 (120-sqrt(72)-x)+250 x^2
X=0.3 when minimal

Not sure if this is right at all... Was going to use:
ΣPE = mg(200 - x) + (1/2)*k*x^2

But this doesn't seem like it's right because it's using the first x as total distance from bridge and also x as how far the bungee stretches...

After finding the right x (stretch length when max velocity), I would use conservation of energy to find a speed at this point?
And then tension would be simply 150 right, because at the point he's still at the bottom, the rope would be holding him?

Please help! Thanks. Been working on this for a while.
 
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Hi Arin, Welcome to Physics Forums.

When you have the position for the maximum velocity (L + x) you should be able to find the kinetic energy for that instant. All the energy originates from the change in gravitational PE to that point, some of it being transformed into elastic PE on the way. What's left must be the KE.
 
I figured it out, thread closed!
 

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