Maxwell eqs: 8 eqs for 6 unknowns - too many eqs?

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The discussion revolves around the apparent discrepancy between the number of equations and unknowns in Maxwell's equations, specifically questioning whether there is redundancy in the equations given that there are eight equations for six unknowns (the components of the electric field E and magnetic field B). The scope includes theoretical exploration of partial differential equations and their implications in the context of electromagnetic theory.

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  • One participant notes that Maxwell's equations consist of two scalar equations and two vector equations, leading to eight equations for six components of E and B, questioning the necessity of having eight equations.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of gauge fixing, suggesting a connection but does not clarify how it directly relates to the redundancy issue.
  • A subsequent reply questions whether gauge freedom pertains only to the vector potential, expressing concern about the sufficiency of equations when considering the fields E and B.
  • One participant points out that the current has four components, leading to a total of ten quantities against the eight equations, implying that two degrees of freedom remain.
  • Another participant reflects on the continuity equation, suggesting that the current's components cannot be set arbitrarily and that the charge density is determined once certain components are fixed, raising the question of how many components of j^\mu can be freely set.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between the number of equations and degrees of freedom, with some suggesting redundancy while others explore the implications of constraints like the continuity equation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the sufficiency of the equations and the implications of gauge freedom.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about gauge freedom and the implications of the continuity equation on the components of the current. The mathematical relationships and dependencies among the equations and variables are not fully explored.

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I know I really need to understand partial diff eqs better for this, but I don't know what subtopic to look for in a pde text.

Maxwell eqs are 2 scalar eqs plus 2 vector eqs (3 components) giving eight total equations, coupled in the 6 components of E(x) and B(x). Why not just 6 equations?

This is easier to see in the covariant form

[tex]\partial_{\mu}F^{\mu\nu}=j^\nu[/tex] , [tex]\nu=0,1,2,3[/tex]
[tex]\epsilon^{\alpha\beta\gamma\delta}\partial_\gamma F_{\alpha\beta} =0[/tex] , [tex]\delta=0,1,2,3[/tex]

F is a 4x4 anti-symmetric tensor, so it is made of six independent functions.

The equations are first order with respect to space and time derivatives. Contrast for example the Dirac equation which is also first order in space and time derivatives but is really only 4 equations for 4 unknown functions.

Do the Maxwell equations contain a hidden redundancy?
 
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Nabeshin said:

Thanks. But how does this relate? Doesn't gauge freedom only have to do with the vector potential? I am concerned that the equations in terms of the fields E and B (which have no gauge freedom, correct?) seem more than necessary.
 
The current has four components, so you have 10 quantities and 8 equations, so 2 degrees of freedom remain.
 
Thanks.

I was thinking that the since the current must satisfy the continuity equation, we cannot arbitrarily set all four components of j. Once we set [tex]\vec{J}(\vec{x},t)[/tex] (and the initial value of [tex]\rho[/tex]), then the charge density [tex]\rho(\vec{x},t)[/tex] is determined for all x and t.

But if we only have two degrees of freedom does that mean we are only free to arbitrarily set two components of [tex]j^\mu[/tex]?
 
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