Mean of a function of a random variable

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The discussion centers around the mean and distribution of a function Y derived from a random variable X with a zero-mean distribution, specifically the function Y = (a + X)^(2/3). Participants explore methods for calculating the mean and distribution of Y, including transformation techniques and Taylor series expansion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the general expression for finding the mean of a function of a random variable, suggesting the use of the integral of g(x) multiplied by the probability density function (PDF).
  • Another participant mentions transformation methods for finding the distribution of Y, indicating the need to derive the PDF of Y given Y = f(X).
  • A different approach is proposed involving the moment generating function and characteristic equations for continuous variables to derive the final PDF.
  • One participant suggests using Taylor series expansion to derive a summatory expression for Y, noting that if E(X) = 0, then E(Y) simplifies to a^(2/3).
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of the Taylor expansion approach, specifically that it may only hold if X is small compared to a, with a reference to the impact of higher moments.
  • There is an assumption made that both X and Y are real numbers, which was not explicitly stated by the original poster.

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Participants present multiple competing views on how to approach the problem, with no consensus reached on a single method or conclusion regarding the mean or distribution of Y.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations related to the assumptions about the size of X compared to a and the implications of higher moments on the calculations.

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Hi,

I have a random variable X with some zero-mean distribution.

I have a function Y of this r.v. given by something complicated
[itex]Y=(a+X)^\frac{2}{3}[/itex]

Is there an explicit way of finding the distribution of Y or even its mean?

Thanks
 
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Apteronotus said:
Hi,

I have a random variable X with some zero-mean distribution.

I have a function Y of this r.v. given by something complicated
[itex]Y=(a+X)^\frac{2}{3}[/itex]

Is there an explicit way of finding the distribution of Y or even its mean?

Thanks

Hey Apteronotus and welcome to the forums.

The general expression to find a mean is given by E[g(X)] = integral g(x)f(x)dx where f(x) is the PDF and you integrate over the domain of the random variable. For discrete replace an integral with a summation.

In your case the g(x) = (a+x)^(2/3). So if you know f(x) and its continuous, then plug g(x) in and solve the integral. If its discrete then but g(x) and find the summation.
 
In terms of finding the distribution of Y there are a few techniques. One technique is through transformation methods of the PDF which has to do with finding the distribution of Y = f(X) (i.e. find PDF of Y given Y = f(X)).

Other methods that are good for really complicated expressions involve finding the moment generating function and then using the characteristic equation in probability theory to get the final PDF (for continuous variables).

For your purpose, I would first look at the transformation theorems for PDF.

Take a look at the following on page 4:

http://www.math.ntu.edu.tw/~hchen/teaching/StatInference/notes/lecture7.pdf
 
Hi Apteronotus,

Besides the general methods explained by chiro to calculate the expected value and distributions, since in this case you have a zero mean distribution you can use Taylor to get a summatory expression of [itex]Y[/itex] and, since [itex]E(X) = 0[/itex], you have that [itex]E(Y)=a^\frac{2}{3}[/itex]
 
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Hi Everyone,

Thank you all very much for your helpful guidance.
 
viraltux said:
since in this case you have a zero mean distribution you can use Taylor to get a summatory expression of [itex]Y[/itex] and, since [itex]E(X) = 0[/itex], you have that [itex]E(Y)=a^\frac{2}{3}[/itex]
That's only if X is quite small compared with a, right? E.g. the first ignored term will be -E(X2)/9a4/3.
 
haruspex said:
That's only if X is quite small compared with a, right? E.g. the first ignored term will be -E(X2)/9a4/3.

Well, yeah, more generally I am assuming [itex]X,Y \in ℝ[/itex], which the OP didn't say, but I think it is a fair assumption for this question.

Edit: Oh! The higher moments, I see what you mean, yeah.
 
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