Measure current from an alternator

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The discussion revolves around measuring the current generated by various alternators, including a three-phase alternator, at a consistent RPM. Participants explore methods for testing, including connection configurations and the necessity of using batteries or resistive loads during the process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the proper method for testing alternators and whether a resistor can be used as a load instead of a battery.
  • Another suggests characterizing the alternator using its Thevenin equivalent circuit, measuring open circuit voltage, and then applying a load to determine output current capability.
  • There is a discussion about the requirement of connecting car alternators to a DC source due to their reliance on field windings rather than permanent magnets.
  • Participants clarify that car alternators produce three-phase AC, which is converted to DC by diodes within the alternator.
  • One participant questions whether to use a battery or connect a load directly to the alternator to measure current.
  • A later reply discusses the role of remanent magnetism in the alternator's ability to generate output and suggests that a battery may be necessary for startup to ensure proper operation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of using a battery versus a resistive load for testing the alternator's output. There is no consensus on the best method for measuring current or the implications of remanent magnetism on the alternator's performance.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the importance of understanding the alternator's characteristics, such as the field coil resistance and the effects of remanent magnetism, which may influence the testing outcomes. The discussion highlights the complexity of measuring current from alternators and the various factors that need to be considered.

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Hi, I have few alternators(one is 3phase), and I want to test the current generated for each alternator at a same rpm.

however, what is the proper way of doing this? what is the connection should be?
is there a need to convert them to DC, and charge to the battery while testing?

or any other way?

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just wondering can I take a resistor as load instead of battery?
 

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I'm not sure of the best way, but one way would be to characterize the alternator with its Thevenin equivalent circuit. Measure the open circuit output voltage (RMS), then load it with a moderate load resistance (say a few Ohms to give you a few Amps), and measure the load voltage. This will give you what you need to calculate the output impedance of the alternator, and hence the output current capability at whatever reference voltage you want to call the min (hence the max current).
 
I think most altenators used in cars require it to be connected to a dc source since they don't have permanent magnets, just field windings. Do you know what types you have?
 
just want to know the current produce from alternator is AC or DC ?
 
A car alternator itself produces 3 phase AC but there are diodes inside the alternator case that turn this into DC.
 
if i want the current from this alternator,should i use battery or just connect a menthol directly to alternator?
 
roti_mentega said:
if i want the current from this alternator,should i use battery or just connect a menthol directly to alternator?

I have a car alternator and I measured the field coil resistance at 27 ohms. So, it would draw about 0.5 amps from a 12 volt battery.
Whether you could get this from the alternator output depends on remanent magnetism. This is the magnetism remaining in the iron core of the field coil when there is no current flowing.

If this was enough to get the alternator generating enough voltage to overcome the voltage drops of the diodes, the voltage out would magnetise the field coil a bit more which would give a bit more more output... and so on.

My alternator seems to have quite a lot of remanent magnetism but it is hard to tell if it would be enough to get the alternator producing output on its own.

To be safe, you probably should have a battery on the field coils at least for startup. Then you could charge the battery from the alternator output.
 

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