Measuring Parameters for a Hybrid Rocket Injector Assembly

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around measuring parameters for a hybrid rocket injector assembly, specifically focusing on cold flow tests. Participants explore methods to measure characteristics of the oxidizer flow, turbulent intensity, and discharge coefficient, while expressing interest in experimental approaches rather than simulations or combustion tests.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in measuring oxidizer flow characteristics, turbulent intensity, and discharge coefficient during cold flow tests, noting a lack of available resources on the topic.
  • Another participant inquires about the equipment available and offers to assist with discharge coefficient measurement, while admitting uncertainty regarding turbulent intensity.
  • A different participant suggests using hot wire anemometry for measuring turbulent intensity, mentioning potential drawbacks related to response time and questioning the practicality of measuring it in cold flow conditions.
  • This participant also proposes using Particle Image Velocimetry (PIV) for oxidizer flow characteristics and discusses the relationship between these measurements and fuel regression rate and combustion stability.
  • Concerns are raised about understanding the discharge coefficient, with one participant explaining it as an empirical factor that adjusts theoretical flow predictions based on real-world observations.
  • Another participant questions whether a manufacturer would provide the discharge coefficient if the injector plate assembly is custom-designed based on estimations from existing assemblies.
  • One participant mentions the need for pressure gauges and load cells to measure mass flow rate, while also considering the potential impact of additional structures on performance.
  • Another participant highlights the importance of measuring temperature in conjunction with mass flow rate to solve for stagnation state, especially if high Mach numbers are expected in the nozzle.
  • One participant confirms the use of high pressure (around 500 psi) and acknowledges the need to collect temperature data.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on measurement techniques and the practicality of certain methods, indicating that multiple competing views remain regarding the best approach to measuring the discussed parameters. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the ideal methods or the implications of the discharge coefficient.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations in their understanding of certain measurement techniques and the potential challenges associated with custom designs and empirical factors. There is also uncertainty regarding the extent of information gained from measuring the discharge coefficient.

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I'm interested in just getting your ideas about the best way to measure parameters based on the ones that I want to find and how the parameter I want to find is useful
I am interested in research on hybrid rocket technology and I would like to know if anyone has a known ideal way to measure the required parameters to find the below items. I am particularly interested in a cold flow test involving:

Characteristics of the Oxidizer Flow
Turbulent Intensity
Discharge Coefficient

I am not finding a lot on cold flow. Most of the tests involve combustion or simulation whereas I would like to perform the experiment.
 
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What kind of equipment have you got? This sounds pretty intense. I don't know much about rockets but if you say more about your setup I might be able to help with discharge coefficient measurement. Not a flippin clue as to turbulent intensity though (unless you can do some hefty hefty numerics).
 
I can use hot wire anemometry to measure turbulent intensity. It should be a decent and manageable method. I think the only drawback to it might be the response time. I'm actually not too sure how knowing this can be useful.

Would it even be practical to measure it using cold flow?I can use PIV for measuring the characteristics of the oxidizer flow. I believe obtaining this parameter is related to the fuel regression rate, combustion stability, and overall performance?

I'm mostly confused about discharge coefficient. I understand the math, with the discharge coefficient Cd = the mass flow rate divided by the density times the volumetric flow rate. I just know it has something to do with pressurizing the cold flow and obtaining the mass flow rate from that. Maybe weighted difference can be taken using load cells?

I'm also not sure about the extent of information that can be found by knowing the discharge coefficient.

I'm actually quite unfamiliar with most gadgets. I guess I can work with anything that is not super expensive or has any intensive programming required.
 
The coefficient of discharge is just an empirical fudge factor that tells you how much flow you should really expect versus theory. For example, most venturi flowmeters have a discharge coefficient around 99%, meaning the real world flow rate is 99% of what you'd expect using textbook fluid mechanics (Bernoulli equation, namely).

Load cells are helpful if your mass flow rate times measurement time is larger than the measurement uncertainty of the load cells. Worth a try. You will also need pressure gauges before the nozzle and at the throat of the nozzle to know the theoretical flow rate. Depending on the dimensions, that could be tricky and it might well make performance worse by adding structure at the throat. Alternatively, you can contact the manufacturer for a discharge coefficient.
 
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Well, that's one question down on how discharge coefficient is useful, but would the manufacturer know the discharge coefficient if I designed the injector plate assembly on my own by just estimating ideal parameters based on other injector plate assemblies that have performed well?

I guess most people would probably just use CFD, but I'm trying to maintain an experimental approach.
 
Welp, in that case the manufacturer is you! Foiled again!

Again, not versed in rockets, so I got to ask, is the flow in the nozzle expected to have a significantly high Mach number? If so, you might also need a temperature sensor before the nozzle in addition to the gauges. That combined with the mass flow rate should be enough to solve for the stagnation state I think.
 
I will need to collect the temperature as well

I have not started yet, but I do know that the flow will be fast since I will be using pressure around the range of 500 psi.
 

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