Measuring the speed of sound in an iron tube

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a project aimed at measuring the speed of sound in air using an iron tube. Participants explore methods to isolate sound from a speaker connected to a frequency generator and discuss potential experimental errors and setups.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a pair of microphones and a digital recorder to sample the sound signals simultaneously.
  • Another participant raises concerns about expected values for speed of sound and the relationship between speed, wavelength, and frequency.
  • A different participant expresses worry about potential experimental errors and emphasizes the importance of understanding the speed of sound in air before introducing the tube.
  • One participant proposes that a series of sound pulses from a speaker and two transducers could yield reliable results through cross-spectrum analysis.
  • Another participant references a standard lab experiment as a potential guide for the project.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various concerns and suggestions, but there is no consensus on the best approach to isolate the sound or the expected outcomes of the experiment. Multiple competing views remain regarding methodology and the significance of experimental errors.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need to consider expected values for speed of sound and the relationship between frequency and wavelength, indicating that assumptions about these factors may influence the experiment's design and outcomes.

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For physical experiment I have a project in which I have to measure the speed of sound in the air.

1. If I take an iron tube (inside is air) and a speaker,
2. put the speaker at the beginning of a tube,
3. speaker is connected to frequency generator (with which I can change frequencies),
4. turn the generator on,

How can I determine when the sound given by iron tube is 'the loudest' if beside I have speaker which also gives sound through generator?
I'm interested how to isolate the sound of frequency generator.
 
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You will need a pair of microphones and digital recorder that can sample the two signals simultaneously.

Have you thought about the speed of sound you expect and the anticipated wavelength and frequency?
 
Honestly, I haven't thought about expected values. What worries me more is experimental error I'm going to get and I got a feeling it will be quite big.
I'm at beginning and collecting ideas, because I don't want to copy-paste experiments from youtube.
 
bolzano95 said:
Honestly, I haven't thought about expected values. What worries me more is experimental error I'm going to get
The two are related, that is why I ask. Forget the tube for a minute and just think about measuring the speed of sound in air. Once you have figured that out then you can place the tube in the middle and see how it changes.
 
I feel like perhaps you guys are overthinking things here. Perhaps in jusr missing something, but a series of sound pulses from a speaker and two transducers should give a pretty good answer by employing a cross-spectrum.
 

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