Measuring velocity and interference?

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of measuring the velocity and position of an electron in quantum mechanics and how they are related. It is important to keep observables and the wave function distinct when discussing this topic. The use of a penning trap to determine velocity does not collapse the particle's position. The experiment does not effectively determine the particle's velocity, as it does not measure any velocity observable.
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If I measured the velocity of an electron what happens to its position? Does it collapse into a specific position or is it still uncertain?
Here's a thought experiment... we measure the velocity of an electron and then send it through the double slit at the same time. Does the electron still create an interference pattern?
 
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joegibs said:
If I measured the velocity of an electron what happens to its position? Does it collapse into a specific position or is it still uncertain?

The way you are asking the question presupposes a collapse interpretation. That's not a good idea. It's much better to focus on the things that are not dependent on your choice of interpretation.

Also, velocity and position are observables. It's a good idea to keep observables in QM conceptually distinct from the wave function/state of the system (in this case, the electron).

All that said, before your question can be answered, you need to specify how you are measuring the electron's velocity. There are ways of doing it that involve measuring the electron's position, and there are other ways that don't. The answer to your question depends on which way you pick.
 
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PeterDonis said:
All that said, before your question can be answered, you need to specify how you are measuring the electron's velocity. There are ways of doing it that involve measuring the electron's position, and there are other ways that don't. The answer to your question depends on which way you pick.

What about in the penning trap, does it collapse the position in order to find the velocity? the experiment does effectively determine
the particle's velocity, since the measured image current is proportional
to this parameter.
 
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PeterDonis said:
The way you are asking the question presupposes a collapse interpretation. That's not a good idea. It's much better to focus on the things that are not dependent on your choice of interpretation.

Also, velocity and position are observables. It's a good idea to keep observables in QM conceptually distinct from the wave function/state of the system (in this case, the electron).

All that said, before your question can be answered, you need to specify how you are measuring the electron's velocity. There are ways of doing it that involve measuring the electron's position, and there are other ways that don't. The answer to your question depends on which way you pick.
The penning trap shoots radio frequencies at the particle in so it can create side bands to the particles harmonic motion
 
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joegibs said:
If I measured the velocity of an electron what happens to its position? Does it collapse into a specific position or is it still uncertain?
Here's a thought experiment... we measure the velocity of an electron and then send it through the double slit at the same time. Does the electron still create an interference pattern?

Yes, it will still create an interference pattern. Measuring where the electron is BEFORE it enters a double slit doesn't remove the superposition of paths that the electron can take at the slit.

So I can use something such as a loop of wire, and wait for a signal in that loop, because that tells me that an electron has passed through it (thus, giving me a position of the electron. After that, it can do whatever it wants, such as going into a double slit and doing its thing.

In particle accelerators, we do this all the time where we make a "non-destructive" determination of electron position in the accelerator beam pipe, either by using BPMs (beam positioning monitors), or ICTs (integrated charge transformers).

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joegibs said:
What about in the penning trap, does it collapse the position in order to find the velocity?

Once again, you should not be asking questions in a way that presupposes a collapse interpretation.

joegibs said:
the experiment does effectively determine
the particle's velocity, since the measured image current is proportional
to this parameter

It's not proportional to any velocity observable, as far as I can tell, so no, the experiment does not "determine the particle's velocity". In other words, the operator that the Penning trap realizes is not, as far as I can tell, a velocity or momentum operator, or anything equivalent to it.

The term "velocity" is used in some discussions of the trap (or related terms like "classical trajectory"), but it seems to refer to an internal parameter of the wave function, not to an observable.
 

1. What is velocity and how is it measured?

Velocity is the rate of change of an object's position with respect to time. It is typically measured in meters per second (m/s). To measure velocity, you need to know the distance an object has traveled and the time it took to travel that distance. The formula for velocity is velocity = distance / time.

2. What is interference and how is it measured?

Interference is the interaction between two or more waves that results in a new wave pattern. It can be measured by observing the changes in amplitude and frequency of the waves. This can be done using specialized equipment such as an interferometer or by visual observation of the wave patterns.

3. What are some common methods for measuring velocity?

Some common methods for measuring velocity include using a stopwatch and measuring the time it takes for an object to travel a known distance, using motion sensors that track changes in position over time, and using Doppler effect devices that measure changes in frequency of reflected waves.

4. Can velocity and interference be measured simultaneously?

Yes, it is possible to measure velocity and interference simultaneously. For example, in the field of optics, the velocity of light can be measured using interferometers, which also allow for the observation of interference patterns. However, it may require specialized equipment and techniques to accurately measure both at the same time.

5. What are the applications of measuring velocity and interference?

Measuring velocity and interference has many practical applications in different fields. For instance, in physics, these measurements can help understand the behavior of objects in motion and the properties of waves. In engineering, they can be used to design and optimize various systems, such as transportation methods and communication networks. In medicine, they can aid in the diagnosis and treatment of diseases. Overall, measuring velocity and interference allows for a better understanding and control of the physical world.

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