Measuring Viscosity of Materials with Dynamic Modulus

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the measurement of viscosity in materials using dynamic modulus, specifically focusing on the relationship between storage and loss modulus, and how frequency affects these measurements. Participants explore the concepts of viscoelasticity and seek to understand standard practices in quantifying material behavior.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the dynamic modulus is measured through sinusoidal force and strain response, questioning how to quantify a material's viscosity based on storage and loss modulus.
  • Another participant explains that the ratio of loss modulus to storage modulus represents the tangent of the phase angle, indicating the balance between viscous and elastic responses, which varies with frequency.
  • A participant inquires about a standard frequency for measuring the tangent of the phase angle to compare viscoelasticity across different polymers.
  • A later reply asserts that there is no standard frequency used for this measurement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the quantification of viscosity and the existence of a standard frequency for measuring viscoelasticity, indicating that multiple views remain on these topics.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence of dynamic modulus measurements on frequency and the lack of consensus on a standard frequency for comparisons, which may limit the applicability of findings.

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I understand that the dynamic modulus of a material is measured by inducing a sinusoidal force and measuring the strain response. Usually one gets a value for the storage and loss modulus. However, I don't understand how one would "quantify" how viscous a material is. I know a viscous material (less elastic) has a higher loss modulus and a lower storage modulus. But is there a certain ratio of the two variables where one considers a material mostly elastic or mostly viscous? I guess it would be easier if I can get a value for the dynamic modulus for some common materials. In addition, I understand the dynamic modulus is dependent on the frequency. So which frequency is common one to use when judging how viscous / elastic a material is?
 
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The ratio of the loss modulus to the storage modulus is the tangent of the phase angle. This is a measure of the ratio of viscous response to elastic response. The behavior varies with frequency. At very high frequencies, elastic behavior dominates, and at very low frequencies, viscous behavior dominates. So, in practice, it all depends on how rapidly the polymer is deforming in your actual process.

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So if the tangent of the phase angle varies as frequency varies, is there a standard frequency people use to measure the tangent of the phase angle to compare the viscoelasticity of different polymers?
 
gkiverm said:
So if the tangent of the phase angle varies as frequency varies, is there a standard frequency people use to measure the tangent of the phase angle to compare the viscoelasticity of different polymers?
No.

Chet
 

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