Mechanical engineering Swing of Death

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The discussion revolves around a mechanical engineering problem involving the dynamics of a swing, specifically focusing on the calculations related to radius, speed, and forces acting on a wheel being hauled up a slope. Participants explore concepts related to angular motion and tension in the context of a swing at a 40-degree angle to the vertical.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the relationship between radius and the wire attached to the swing, leading to two different radius values based on the swing's string length and the total height of the swing.
  • Another participant suggests that the radius should be calculated based on the vertical position of the wire and the angle of the swing, proposing a radius of 4m plus an additional component based on trigonometric calculations.
  • A participant attempts to calculate the height using trigonometric functions and questions the total radius based on their findings.
  • Equations for tension and centripetal force are introduced, with one participant providing a detailed breakdown of the forces acting on the swing and how they relate to the motion.
  • There is a challenge regarding the correct interpretation of the radius and the necessary calculations to find the speed of rotation in RPM.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct radius to use in calculations, with no consensus reached on the appropriate values or methods for determining the speed and forces involved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings of the problem setup, varying interpretations of the radius based on different components of the swing, and unresolved steps in the mathematical reasoning presented.

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Hi there,
again maybe stupid question but I have no idea about this exercise.
or maybe a little clue. i know that v=r?
but with the given 40° when i convert it to a rmp it is very small value 0.111111
and the r is 3m or 7m..
Please if someone can help me..
also if someone can help me with the FBD of A wheel being hauled up a slope by a wire attached to its axle.
 

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You should show your working before asking for help.

and the r is 3m or 7m.

For example how did you arrive at two values? Neither match the answer I got.
 
I just wondered if the r is equal to the wire attached or the whole body of the swing?
that is how i find 3m and 7m because the string is 3m long and the whole body is 7m
 
Neither.

With the wire hanging down vertically the radius would be 4m. With the ride spinning around at very high speed the wires would fly out and up until almost horizontal and the radius would be approx 4 + 3=7.

However the problem asks what speed is necessary for them to be at a 40 degree angle to the vertical. You can use basic trig to work out the exact radius. It's 4M + ?M in the diagram...
 

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Re your PM. Best I reply on thread so anyone else with similar question sees the follow up..

Thanks for the replies on both of the topics.
i)So the high should be 3*(1-cos40) = 3*(1-0.766) = 0.7019? and the total radius should be 4.7019?

No the radius would be..

= 4M + ?M see my diagram.
= 4 + 3Sin(40)
= 4 + 1.93
= 5.93m

To find the speed of rotation in RPM v=r*? but how to find the ? ?
ii)also the tension must be equal to mg/cos40?
iii)still don't have any idea

Since it's not moving vertically the vertical components must sum to zero.

Lets take downwards as +ve

-T*cos(40) + m*g = 0
so
T = m*g/cos(40).........(Eq 1)

Now for the horizontal..

In order for it to move in a circle the wire must provide centripetal force = mv2/r towards the centre so..

T*sin(40) = m*v2/r
T = m*v2/(r*sin(40)) ......(Eq 2)

over to you
 

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