Mechanics (Components of Acceleration)

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The discussion focuses on understanding the components of acceleration in a physics problem. The user attempts to derive the tangential and normal components of acceleration using the provided equations but encounters discrepancies in their calculations. They correctly identify the tangential component but miscalculate it, leading to an incorrect answer. Another participant suggests finding the projection of acceleration onto velocity to clarify the components, indicating that the original answers may be incorrect. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly applying the formulas for acceleration components.
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Homework Statement



The following is a solved problem:

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/6503/questiono.jpg

I can't understand how they worked out these two components.

Homework Equations



\vec{a}(t) = \frac{dv}{dt}\vec{T} + v \frac{d \vec{T}}{dt}

Where

\vec{T}(t) = \frac{d \vec{r}(t)/dt}{||d \vec{r}(t)/dt||} = \frac{\vec{v}(t)}{v(t)}

The Attempt at a Solution



In the equation I posted above, I believe the first term is the tangential component of acceleration and the second one is the normal component. I want first to find the tangential component:

\vec{v}(t) = d(t^2 \vec{i} + 3t+2 \vec{j})/dt = 2t+3

|| \vec{v}(t) || = \sqrt{4t^2+9}

So substituting in

\frac{dv}{dt}\vec{T} = \frac{d (\vec{r}(t)/dt)}{dt} . \frac{d \vec{r}(t)}{dt}.\frac{1}{||\vec{r}(t)||}

2.(2t+3).\frac{1}{\sqrt{4t^2+9}}

= \frac{4t+6}{\sqrt{4t^2+9}}

But this is wrong. The correct answer must be

\frac{4t}{\sqrt{4t^2+9}}

What did I do wrong? :confused: How can I get to the correct answer? Any guidance is greatly appreciated.
 
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roam said:

Homework Statement



The following is a solved problem:

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/6503/questiono.jpg

I can't understand how they worked out these two components.

Homework Equations



\vec{a}(t) = \frac{dv}{dt}\vec{T} + v \frac{d \vec{T}}{dt}

Where

\vec{T}(t) = \frac{d \vec{r}(t)/dt}{||d \vec{r}(t)/dt||} = \frac{\vec{v}(t)}{v(t)}

The Attempt at a Solution



In the equation I posted above, I believe the first term is the tangential component of acceleration and the second one is the normal component. I want first to find the tangential component:

\vec{v}(t) = d(t^2 \vec{i} + 3t+2 \vec{j})/dt = 2t+3

|| \vec{v}(t) || = \sqrt{4t^2+9}

So substituting in

\frac{dv}{dt}\vec{T} = \frac{d (\vec{r}(t)/dt)}{dt} . \frac{d \vec{r}(t)}{dt}.\frac{1}{||\vec{r}(t)||}

2.(2t+3).\frac{1}{\sqrt{4t^2+9}}

= \frac{4t+6}{\sqrt{4t^2+9}}

But this is wrong. The correct answer must be

\frac{4t}{\sqrt{4t^2+9}}

What did I do wrong? :confused: How can I get to the correct answer? Any guidance is greatly appreciated.

You have speed: \vec v= \frac{dr}{dt}=(2t,3)
and acceleration: \vec a= \frac{dv}{dt}=(2,0)

then you've got to find the projection of \vec a onto \vec v:
\vec a_t = \frac{(\vec a \cdot \vec v)}{||\vec v||^2}\vec v= \frac{1}{4t^2+9}(8t^2,12t)
The normal component of acceleration is then:
\vec a_n= \vec a - \vec a_t

The given answers seem to be wrong.
 
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