Metric Sign Convention: Effects on Klein Gordon & Dirac Equations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of different metric sign conventions in the context of the Klein-Gordon and Dirac equations. Participants explore how these conventions influence mathematical expressions and interpretations within theoretical physics, particularly in quantum field theory (QFT).

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the two standard conventions for the Minkowski metric are diag(1,-1,-1,-1) and diag(-1,1,1,1), and they discuss how the Klein-Gordon equation is expressed differently under these conventions.
  • One participant points out that with the "mostly plus" (MP) metric, the Klein-Gordon equation takes the form (\partial^2 - m^2)\phi = 0, while with the "mostly minus" (MM) metric, it is (\partial^2 + m^2)\phi = 0.
  • Another participant mentions that the choice of metric affects the sign of the Clifford algebra, suggesting that for MP, the relation \{\gamma^{\mu}, \gamma^{\nu}\} = -2\eta^{\mu\nu} is more natural, while for MM, it is \{\gamma^{\mu}, \gamma^{\nu}\} = 2\eta^{\mu\nu}.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the physical significance of the non-isomorphism between real Clifford algebras Cl(1,3) and Cl(3,1), suggesting it may have implications not yet understood in current theories.
  • Another participant argues that the reversal of sign does not equate to swapping the future and past null cones, questioning the motivations behind choosing the mostly negative convention.
  • Some participants indicate that the mostly negative convention is favored in QFT because it aligns the time translation generator with the interpretation of energy as positive, avoiding sign flips when transitioning between covariant and contravariant momentum components.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the metric sign conventions, particularly regarding their physical significance and the motivations for choosing one convention over another. There is no consensus on the best convention or its implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that while the equations may represent the same physical phenomena, the mathematical expressions and interpretations can vary significantly based on the chosen metric convention. The discussion highlights the nuances and complexities involved in these conventions.

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The two standard conventions for the Minkowski metric are diag(1,-1,-1,-1) and diag(-1,1,1,1). The physics comes out the same either way, but I'm trying to make a list of the things that change depending on the convention you use.
The Klein Gordon equation is one - with the "mostly plus" (MP) metric it is
(\partial^2 - m^2)\phi = 0
and with the "mostly minus" (MM) metric it is
(\partial^2 + m^2)\phi = 0
Another is the sign regarding which is the "positive frequency" solution to Klein Gordon/Dirac. Another is the sign on the Clifford algebra. For MP the more natural choice is
\{\gamma^{\mu}, \gamma^{\nu}\} = -2\eta^{\mu\nu}
and for MM the more natural choice is
\{\gamma^{\mu}, \gamma^{\nu}\} = 2\eta^{\mu\nu}
(you can actually make either choice for either metric but the Dirac equation only has the nice "square root" of the Klein Gordan equation form with these choices.

Can anyone point out some other things that are affected by the convention?
 
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Physically, the reversal of the sign means that we reverse the axes and the direction of time. If anything changes at all with the conventions, it must be in an anisotrophic space.
 
I don't mean any changes in the fundamental physics. I just mean arbitrary conventional changes, like the ones I mentioned. The Klein Gordon equation is saying exactly the same thing in both cases - you just have to write it differently. I'm just trying to get a feel for the different things that are written differently based on the decision.
 
Real Clifford algebras Cl(1,3) and Cl(3,1) are not isomorphic (complexified are isomorphic). Whether it may have any physical significance is, to my knowledge, not known. I suspect it may, but not in any of today's theories that I know.
 
Eynstone said:
Physically, the reversal of the sign means that we reverse the axes and the direction of time.
Isn't that wrong? Signature convention is different to swapping the future and past null cones.

I don't understand why anyone chose the mostly negative convention? Mostly positive is maximally consistent with ordinary Riemannian (spatial) geometry, and is perhaps even motivated by incorporating time as the imaginary component..
 
Mostly negative is being liked in QFT where time translations generator is being interpreted as "energy operator", and "energy" should be "positive". With mostly negative you do not have to flip the sign when you go from covariant P_0 to contravariant P^0.
 

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