Metric space proof open and closed set

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The discussion revolves around proving that a specific set defined by an integral condition is open in the metric space of continuous functions, and whether a certain subset of continuous functions is closed under the supremum norm.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to show that the set of functions with an integral greater than one is open by considering a ball around a function in that set. Some participants question the validity of this approach, suggesting the need to adjust the radius of the ball. Others propose using the definition of closed sets and consider sequences of functions to explore the second part of the question.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the assumptions made and the definitions being used. There is a mix of attempts to clarify the first part of the problem while exploring the second part, with some guidance offered regarding theorems related to uniformly convergent sequences.

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Participants are discussing the implications of the definitions of open and closed sets in the context of the supremum norm, and there is mention of a theorem regarding integrals of uniformly convergent sequences that may be relevant to the second part of the problem.

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Homework Statement


show the set {f: ∫f(t)dt>1(integration from 0 to 1) } is an open set in the metric space ( C[0,1],||.||∞)

and if A is the subset of C[0,1] defined by A={f:0<=f<=1} is closed in the norm ||.||∞ norm.

Homework Equations


C[0,1] is f is continuous from 0 to 1.and ||.||∞ is the norm that ||f||∞ =sup | f|


The Attempt at a Solution


first one I set U= {f: ∫f(t)dt>1(integration from 0 to 1) },then fixed f in U s.t.∫f(t)dt>1 and let ∫f(t)dt=r claim B(f,r)is contained in U need to show for f' in B(f,r) then ∫f'(t)dt>1,but f' in B(f,r) means ||f'-f||∞ = sup|f'-f|<r then i don't know how to get ∫f'(t)dt>1??

and hows about the secound part of the question? should i conseder the compementary set?
 
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cummings12332 said:
claim B(f,r)is contained in U

This is not true: For f(x)=\frac{3}{2}, g(x)=\frac{1}{2}, \int_0^1f\ dx=\frac{3}{2}, \int_0^1g\ dx=\frac{1}{2}. So f\in U, g\not\in U, \|f-g\|_{\infty}=1&lt;\frac{3}{2}\Rightarrow g\in B(f, \frac{3}{2}).

You need to adjust the radius of you ball. Think about how you would show (in a way similar to the way that you're attempting) that (1,\infty) is open in \mathbb{R}.

and how about the second part of the question?

There is a theorem about integrals of uniformly convergent sequences of functions that might prove useful.
 
gopher_p said:
This is not true: For f(x)=\frac{3}{2}, g(x)=\frac{1}{2}, \int_0^1f\ dx=\frac{3}{2}, \int_0^1g\ dx=\frac{1}{2}. So f\in U, g\not\in U, \|f-g\|_{\infty}=1&lt;\frac{3}{2}\Rightarrow g\in B(f, \frac{3}{2}).

You need to adjust the radius of you ball. Think about how you would show (in a way similar to the way that you're attempting) that (1,\infty) is open in \mathbb{R}.



There is a theorem about integrals of uniformly convergent sequences of functions that might prove useful.

Many thanks, I have solved the first part out. but for secound part i still don't know how to begin. should i choose a sequence fn in A then check that ||fn-f||<esillope,then what should i do for it?could u give me more details?
 
cummings12332 said:
Many thanks, I have solved the first part out. but for secound part ,my idea is choose f in the norm space C[0,1],||.||. then choose a sequence fn in C[0,1] then fn->f for 0<fn<1 then we have 0<f<1 so C[0,1] is closed , does it make sense?QUOTE]
 
Which definition of "closed" are you attempting to use? State it precisely.
 

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