Mirrors, phase shifts, and position

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of phase shifts introduced by mirrors in quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to position and polarization. Participants explore the implications of these phase shifts in the context of quantum states and classical electrodynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the nature of phase shifts introduced by mirrors, questioning why mirrors seem to treat position differently from other observables.
  • Another participant references classical electrodynamics, specifically Fresnel's Laws, noting that a reflected electromagnetic wave experiences a phase shift of π when entering a denser medium.
  • A later reply reiterates the phase shift introduced by mirrors, emphasizing that this operation is not specific to any observable or particle, suggesting that it affects the entire state vector.
  • Some participants acknowledge that while global phase is physically irrelevant, the implications of this result still feel counterintuitive.
  • One participant notes that the behavior aligns with the solution of Maxwell's equations under certain conditions, linking it to the quantized radiation field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the technical aspects of phase shifts introduced by mirrors, but there remains uncertainty and confusion regarding the interpretation and implications of these shifts, particularly in relation to different observables.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of clarity on how global phase shifts relate to specific observables and the dependence on interpretations of quantum mechanics and classical electrodynamics.

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I'm confused about something regarding phase shifts but I'm not sure I've pinned down what.

I had always thought of a mirror as introducing a global phase shift of π in the position basis, but I only now realize that this makes no sense: of course -A ⊗ B = A ⊗ -B, so a global phase shift is not specific to any particular observable. This is essentially the only operation that works this way.

Now, suppose you send a photon through a beam splitter, and in the upper path you place a mirror. This effectively introduces a relative phase shift between the two path components. But I cannot think of a way to use a mirror to introduce a relative polarization phase shift (which is normally accomplished with a waveplate). I can put a mirror in one place but not another; I cannot put it "in one polarization but not the other."

Why should the unique device that imparts a global phase shift (i.e., that treats all observables the same) "treat position specially?" I'm not sure my question makes any sense, but hopefully someone recognizes the confusion that's lurking here.
 
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It's as in classical electrodynamics (Fresnel's Laws): A reflected em. wave gets a phase shift by ##\pi## if it's entering a optically denser medium (i.e., a medium with larger index of refraction like, e.g., from air to glass). For a very good and careful treatment, see the excellent textbook on QT:

B. Schumacher, M. Westmorland, Quantum Processes, Systems, and Information, Cambridge-University Press (2010)
 
vanhees71 said:
It's as in classical electrodynamics (Fresnel's Laws): A reflected em. wave gets a phase shift by ##\pi## if it's entering a optically denser medium (i.e., a medium with larger index of refraction like, e.g., from air to glass). For a very good and careful treatment, see the excellent textbook on QT:

B. Schumacher, M. Westmorland, Quantum Processes, Systems, and Information, Cambridge-University Press (2010)

Sorry, I just got around to responding. Thanks for the reference, it's very helpful. But my confusion remains.

So the operation of a mirror is to introduce a phase shift of ##\pi## -- in other words, ##|\psi\rangle \mapsto -|\psi\rangle##. What's weird to me is that this operation is not specific to any observable, or indeed, any particle: if we write the universal wave function as ##|\psi\rangle \otimes |\phi_{world}\rangle##, the mirror turns it into ##-|\psi\rangle \otimes |\phi_{world}\rangle = |\psi\rangle \otimes -|\phi_{world}\rangle##. In other words, we can't tell if we phase-shifted the photon's position, its polarization, or indeed, the entire universe's state vector.

Is that correct, and if so, how should I interpret it?
 
I'm aware that global phase is physically irrelevant, but something about this result still feels weird. I can't put my finger on why though.
 
Me neither. It's just the solution of Maxwell's equations in linear-response approximation with the correct boundary conditions, and this translates to the quantized radiation field due to the linearity of the equations.
 

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