Modeling of moist-adiabatic temperature?

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion focuses on modeling the moist-adiabatic temperature of a parcel of air ascending from the surface to the top of the troposphere at 12,000 meters. Key factors include initial conditions such as temperature, pressure, and humidity, while considering the latent heat of condensation and freezing. Participants suggest using keywords like "orographic rain," "adiabatic lapse rate," and "katabatic" for further research. The conversation also hints at the importance of developing equations for various scenarios of moisture presence in the air parcel.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of moist-adiabatic processes
  • Familiarity with the adiabatic lapse rate
  • Knowledge of latent heat concepts
  • Basic meteorological principles
NEXT STEPS
  • Research "moist-adiabatic lapse rate" in meteorological literature
  • Study "latent heat of condensation" and its effects on temperature modeling
  • Explore "thermodynamics of moist air" for deeper insights
  • Examine case studies on "orographic rainfall" and its modeling techniques
USEFUL FOR

Meteorologists, atmospheric scientists, and students studying thermodynamics and weather patterns will benefit from this discussion.

Aleksej
Messages
12
Reaction score
0
Hi,

I need to find some good article or book related to the modeling of this process:

the parcel of air goes up from the surface to the top of troposphere ( to 12000 m ),
we know the conditions at the bottom such as temperature, pressure and humidity,
we assume that
the parcel is isolated from the surrounding air so it is the moist-adiabatic process,
part of the condensed water can rain down from the parcel ( need some estimate ),
it is necessary to model the temperature of this parcel with taking into account the
latent heat of condensation and freezing.

It would be nice to find even some good keywords for this.

Alexey
 
Science news on Phys.org
Orographic rain, adiabatic lapse rate, katabatic, should get you started far as keywords. General reading? Grab a meteorological handbook.
 
This sounds suspiciously like a homework problem in sheep's clothing. Is it a homework problem?

Have you considered developing the equations for this problem yourself?
Could you do it if the air was bone dry?
Could you do it if the water was present but did not condense?
Could you do it if the condensed water were not removed?

Chet
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
5K
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
6K
  • · Replies 32 ·
2
Replies
32
Views
4K
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
Replies
11
Views
9K