Modulus Equation: Solving for ##p## & ##m##

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In summary, the conversation discusses solving an equation with two unknowns and the different approaches that can be taken. Ultimately, the equation is simplified to two simultaneous equations, which can be solved to find the values of the unknown variables. However, there is a more efficient way to solve the equation by recognizing that the two terms in the original equation must both equal zero for the equation to be true.
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Homework Statement
solve the modulus equation ##2|3x+4y-2|+3(25-5x+2y)^{1/2} = 0##
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##3√(25-5x+2y) = -2|3x+4y-2|##
→##9(25-5x+2y)=4[(3x+4y)^2-4(3x+4y)+4]##
→##9 (25+m)= 4[p^2-4p+4]## where ##p= 3x+4y## & ##m= 2y-5x##
##\frac{(p-2)^2}{25+m}##=## \frac{9}{4}##
 
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Hello again,

You have one equation with two unknowns, and you work it around to one equation in two unknowns. That does not help very much.

Are you aware that the term 'solving' is not applicable if there are more unknowns than equations ? E.g. ##x+y=4## is not solvable. All one can do is work it around to e.g. ##y = 4-x##.

Is that the aim of this exercise ?

Then: you square left and right sides of an equation. Do you realize that introduces unwanted solutions ? Look at e.g. the equation ##z = -2##, a single solution. Whereas ##z^2 = 4## has two solutions ?

Having said all this, there is something remarkable with your first equation:
$$2|3x+4y-2|+3(25-5x+2y)^{1/2} = 0 $$
(you want curly brackets around the exponent 1/2 )

You have two terms that are non-negative and should add up to zero.
What is the only way in which that can be so :biggrin: ?
 
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BvU said:
(you want curly brackets around the exponent 1/2 )
Fixed in original post.
 
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a colleague was able to solve it for me...by coming up with simultaneous equations:

##|6x+8y-4| =√(225-45x+18y)##
##|6x+8y-4| =-√(225-45x+18y)##...on solving the simultaneous by subtracting both sides of the equation,

##2√(225-45x+18y)=0##
##45x-18y=225## also using
##-6x-8y+4= 6x+8y-4## we get
##3x+4y=2##
now solving,
##45x-18y=225##
##3x+4y=2##
##x=4## ##y=-2.5##
is there another approach? or this is the only way? just thinking of the approach that i had used...
 
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chwala said:
is there another approach?
Definitely. $$a+b = 0 \quad \&\quad a \ge 0 \quad \& \quad b\ge 0 \quad {\bf \Rightarrow} \quad a = 0 \quad \& \quad b = 0 $$
and now you have two equations with two unknowns:$$25-5x+2y = 0 \quad \& \quad 3x+4y-2 = 0 $$with, of course, the same answer -- without multiplying within the | | and underneath the square root
 
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Thanks man...you guys chew maths like crazy:cool:
 
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What is a modulus equation?

A modulus equation is an equation that involves the modulus operator, denoted by ||, which finds the remainder after dividing one number by another. It is commonly used in solving mathematical problems involving absolute values or remainders.

How do you solve a modulus equation?

To solve a modulus equation, you need to isolate the modulus expression and then consider two cases: when the expression inside the modulus is positive and when it is negative. In the positive case, the modulus expression remains the same, but in the negative case, the modulus expression is multiplied by -1. Then, solve for the variable as usual.

What are the variables in a modulus equation?

In a modulus equation, the variables are the numbers or expressions inside the modulus operator ||. These variables can represent any real numbers, and the goal is to solve for these variables to find their values.

What is the difference between solving for p and m in a modulus equation?

Solving for p and m in a modulus equation is essentially the same process. The only difference is that p and m represent different variables in the equation. Therefore, the steps to solve for each variable will be the same, but the values obtained will be different.

Can a modulus equation have multiple solutions?

Yes, a modulus equation can have multiple solutions. This is because the modulus operator returns the positive remainder, so there could be more than one value that satisfies the equation. To find all possible solutions, you may need to consider different cases and simplify the equation accordingly.

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