MoI of a Solid Sphere Derivation

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The discussion addresses a flawed derivation of the moment of inertia (MoI) for a solid sphere using a method that involves splitting the sphere into infinitely many discs. The main error identified is the assumption of a constant radius for the discs, while the radius actually varies across the disc. To correct this, it's suggested to sum the MoI of each individual disc rather than its volume, and to consider using vertical cylindrical shells for a simpler approach. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding how the distance from the axis of rotation changes along the disc. Overall, participants encourage refining the method or learning established derivations for clarity.
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I'm aware of many, many solutions to this on the web (and on the forum) that I can follow, but I'm trying a different way (there are many, after all) and I can't figure out why it's not working, and I'd love to know where my logic is flawed.

I have a solid sphere, and I'm splitting it up into infinitely many discs. Taking a table top, the surface is my x-y plane, and up and down (wrt gravity) is my z-axis. I'm using \theta as the angle from the x-y plane to the z-axis, -\frac{\pi}{2} \leq \theta \leq \frac{\pi}{2}.

a is the radius of the sphere, r is the radius of a disc. Then, the thickness of my disc, an angle \theta above the x-y plane, is a\operatorname{d}\theta. The radius of the disc is a \cos{\theta}. Then, the volume of the disc is a^2\pi\cos^2{\theta}\operatorname{d}\theta (the cross-sectional area times the thickness \pi r^2 \operatorname{d}\theta).

The equation for the MoI of a continuous solid is

I = \int r^2 \operatorname{d}m

And here, our \operatorname{d}m is \rho \operatorname{d}V, where \rho is the density of the sphere, and \operatorname{d}V is as defined above. As r = a\cos{\theta}, we get

I = a^5 \rho \pi \int_\frac{-\pi}{2}^\frac{\pi}{2} \cos^4{\theta} \operatorname{d}\theta

The integral evaluates to

\frac{3\pi}{8}

giving

I = \frac{3\pi^2}{8} a^5 \rho

And we know

\rho = \frac{m}{V} = \frac{m}{\frac{4}{3}\pi r^3}

We get the result

I = \frac{9\pi}{32} m a^2

Which is wrong. Obviously there's a flaw, where is it?
 
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hi alex3! :smile:

you went wrong after …
alex3 said:
The equation for the MoI of a continuous solid is …

… you're assuming a constant r, but the r for your disc varies across the disc, doesn't it? :wink:

(using vertical cylinders instead of horizontal discs would work :smile:)
 
Aha! The distance from the axis changes along the disc, of course, thank you. Is there a simple (ish) fix that can be applied to my method to compensate for my mistake, of is it best for me to learn another tried-and-tested derivation?
 
I have many doubts about what I read in you post.

You can sum the pile of disks, ok.
But you have to sum the MoI of the single disk, not it's volume.
 
alex3 said:
Aha! The distance from the axis changes along the disc, of course, thank you. Is there a simple (ish) fix that can be applied to my method to compensate for my mistake, of is it best for me to learn another tried-and-tested derivation?

you can use (or prove) the formula for the moment of inertia of a disc, and then integrate that :wink:

(but vertical cylindrical shells is easiest)
 
Brilliant. You've all been very helpful indeed, improved my basic understanding of MoIs no end, thank you!
 
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