Molecule collisions in an Ideal Gas

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The discussion revolves around the statistical properties of molecule collisions in an ideal gas, specifically focusing on the probability distribution of the time between collisions, given by P(t) = Ae^(-bt). Participants are tasked with normalizing this distribution, finding the average time between collisions, and determining the standard deviation of collision times.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the normalization of the probability distribution and question the correctness of initial attempts. There is exploration of the expected value for the average time between collisions and the distinction between discrete and continuous distributions.

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The discussion is ongoing with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the normalization process and the calculation of expected values. Some participants have suggested methods for finding the average time and have clarified the need for integration in the context of continuous distributions.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the normalization of the probability distribution and the application of expected value concepts, particularly in distinguishing between discrete and continuous cases. Participants are also grappling with the implications of their calculations on subsequent parts of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Molecules in an ideal gas collide with each other at random times. The probability distribution governing the time between collisions is P(t) = Ae^(-bt).
(a) Find the value of A so that P(t) is correctly normalized.
(b) Find the average time between collisions, t. This time is traditionally called tau. Now re-write P(t) in terms of tau, without the original parameters A and b.
(c) Find the standard deviation of the collision times, σ_t.


Homework Equations


∫(x^n)e^(-x/a)dx = n!a^(n+1) from 0 to ∞


The Attempt at a Solution


I believe I have the right answer to (a), I normalized it to obtain P(t) = -be^(-bt), but I can't figure out what to do for part (b) on.
My attempt was to take the average time t to equal (ƩP(t))/n where n is the number of collisions and the sum goes from 0 to ∞, but that thought process got me no where. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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I don't think the first part is right. The integral of P(t) from t=0 to t=infinity should be +1.
 
derravaragh said:
The probability distribution governing the time between collisions is P(t) = Ae^(-bt).

(b) Find the average time between collisions, t.

If you have the probability density function p(x) for some continuous variable X, what expression gives the average value of X?
 
For the first response, I rechecked my work on part (a) and realized my signs were off, using A = b the ∫Ae^(-bt) from 0 to ∞ gives me a value of +1.

For the second response, the only solution I can think of would be the Expected value E(x) which would give E(t) = ƩtP(t) = Ʃt(Ae^(-bt)) from t = 0 to ∞ which gives 0 + be^(-b) + 2be^(-2b) +...+ 0 which I don't know how to generalize or even how to apply to the next part. Quite frankly, I am lost on this problem after part (a).
 
The mean time is an expectation value. It's going to be the integral of t*P(t) from 0 to infinity.
 
derravaragh said:
Expected value E(x) which would give E(t) = ƩtP(t) = Ʃt(Ae^(-bt)) from t = 0 to ∞
That's for a discrete distribution. As Dick says, the equivalent for a continuous distribution is integration.
 

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